Veridican Creed of Salvation

[Egor]

My goal is not to end your membership with this forum, and I would not feel compelled to do so without the consent of the moderating staff, anyway. Also, you guessed wrong. I have no need to feel those things. I'm doing my job as a moderator to prevent trolls, spammers, and disruptive behavior to a minimum. I don't need to explain myself further on this and you have been warned. Don't over assume such nonsense.

Wait a minute! I've been warned about what? You said yourself I wasn't trolling! If trolling is even what you're talking about. What's your problem, man?

Two months ago, yes. It shows that your stance hasn't changed since then, and that your pretended interest in having rational discourse with atheists is a lie. You lied about being banned here, and the reason why, you conflated your argument, and you did not retract it when it was shown you had done so. Fraud. Clear enough now?

Whatever you want to make up in your head is your choice.

Now, convince me you're being genuine in your purpose here and there's no problem. It's that easy.

I think I'll just do what I feel. You do the same.

[Egor]

I think this is your biggest problem Egor, I don't see what's new in Veridicanism. It's just Christianity under another name, with a few minor changes based on your personal beliefs. A vanity project.

But Christians would disagee. They don't believe God is monistic (vehemently) and they don't believe we become Christ in spirit when we are reborn. Christians would see Veridicanism as new age, and they have in the past.

[AnimatedDirt]

But Christians would disagee. They don't believe God is monistic (vehemently) and they don't believe we become Christ in spirit when we are reborn. Christians would see Veridicanism as new age, and they have in the past.

If it is your belief and therefore want in your creed that 'we become Christ' (in a more literal sense) then your words, at least to me, do not seem to fit this belief.

From my descended state,  I asked God to forgive what I had done that through His perfect grace and love  I might be reborn into the light and spirit of Christ he sent to save us.

This, to me, speaks more of becoming perfect LIKE Christ or as God initially intended, but not literally BECOME CHRIST even in spirit.

[Velma]

I think this is your biggest problem Egor, I don't see what's new in Veridicanism. It's just Christianity under another name, with a few minor changes based on your personal beliefs. A vanity project.

But Christians would disagee. They don't believe God is monistic (vehemently) and they don't believe we become Christ in spirit when we are reborn. Christians would see Veridicanism as new age, and they have in the past.

There are over 30,000 versions of christianity out there.  It is virtually guaranteed that there is some sect out there with similar doctrines. 

[Whitney]

They don't believe God is monistic (vehemently) and they don't believe we become Christ in spirit when we are reborn.

I guess that means you've never read the writings of St. Thomas Aquinas; a very prominent Catholic theologian.   He believed that the trinity referred to different aspects of one being (God) and that when one is 'saved' their spirit becomes one with Christ.

Of course, you do have to put away "concrete" thinking in order to understand the Catholic (and various other denomination's) view of the trinity without confusing it with polytheism.  Aquinas certainly isn't an easy read.

[Stevil]

OK, my turn.
Here is Stevil's Veridican Creed of Salvation
I am think that this my be the official Veridican creed of salvation. In other words, if a person can say this and truly believe it and mean it, they will be saved. Here it is:  (Sorry, I stole the above from Egor. Naughty me. Also the below, I stole Egor's format, but most of the words are my own. The message is sincere and introspective)

Dad is my Father, Mum is my Mother, they created me through their passionate union.

I don't know if they made me intentionally or if I was simply a byproduct of lust but the fact is that I am here and I have no choice but to deal with it.

My parents don't need my forgiveness, they support and love me for who I am so that I might succeed in which ever journey I choose.

Therefore I will see the world of opportunities before me and go forth confidently without fear of failure, my life is that of my own making and my will is powerful enough to overcome the many obstacles that will impede my journey.

I thank my parent for their support, their efforts in raising me.
"Thanks Mum, thanks Dad"

Then I declare my journey is that of a student, to marvel at the world, the universe and the cosmos. From that which is small to that which is large. To accept others for who they are, to not pass judgment unless myself or loved ones are in danger. To become an accepting, non judgmental person whom sees the beauty in the diversity of people, cultures and countries. To support my family, my wife and children, to show them that I am always here for them to build up their confidence so that they can choose the journey of their desires. To live my life as an example to my family, to show my children that the world is their playground and that no obstacle is too large. To go forth confidently and optimistically and to live a life, my life however I see fit.

[McQ]

My goal is not to end your membership with this forum, and I would not feel compelled to do so without the consent of the moderating staff, anyway. Also, you guessed wrong. I have no need to feel those things. I'm doing my job as a moderator to prevent trolls, spammers, and disruptive behavior to a minimum. I don't need to explain myself further on this and you have been warned. Don't over assume such nonsense.

Wait a minute! I've been warned about what? You said yourself I wasn't trolling! If trolling is even what you're talking about. What's your problem, man?

Two months ago, yes. It shows that your stance hasn't changed since then, and that your pretended interest in having rational discourse with atheists is a lie. You lied about being banned here, and the reason why, you conflated your argument, and you did not retract it when it was shown you had done so. Fraud. Clear enough now?

Whatever you want to make up in your head is your choice.

Now, convince me you're being genuine in your purpose here and there's no problem. It's that easy.

I think I'll just do what I feel. You do the same.

If that's the way you want it. You got it.

First warning for not following the directions of a forum moderator. Second infraction will result in a temporary ban. Third will result in a permanent ban from the forum.

[Ihateyoumike]

Isn't banning him exactly what he wants? Personally I think this guy should get the same treatment as the liar for Jesus instead of a ban. If he ramains a troll and douche (he will) then it becomes open season. Change his name, signature, etc... Mock him, make jokes about him, don't take him seriously (how could anyone, anyway?) but maybe he'll just run off on his own then and not get that weird satisfaction that he seems to enjoy from getting himself booted off of our forums.

But I'm no mod and wouldn't want to be. But if anyone is worthy of getting a no rules mockfest against him, I think it might be ol' eddy boy.

[Stevil]

Isn't banning him exactly what he wants? Personally I think this guy should get the same treatment as the liar for Jesus instead of a ban. If he ramains a troll and douche (he will) then it becomes open season. Change his name, signature, etc... Mock him, make jokes about him, don't take him seriously (how could anyone, anyway?) but maybe he'll just run off on his own then and not get that weird satisfaction that he seems to enjoy from getting himself booted off of our forums.

But I'm no mod and wouldn't want to be. But if anyone is worthy of getting a no rules mockfest against him, I think it might be ol' eddy boy.

If you like that kind of behaviour go to Raving Atheist Forum.

[McQ]

Isn't banning him exactly what he wants? Personally I think this guy should get the same treatment as the liar for Jesus instead of a ban. If he ramains a troll and douche (he will) then it becomes open season. Change his name, signature, etc... Mock him, make jokes about him, don't take him seriously (how could anyone, anyway?) but maybe he'll just run off on his own then and not get that weird satisfaction that he seems to enjoy from getting himself booted off of our forums.

But I'm no mod and wouldn't want to be. But if anyone is worthy of getting a no rules mockfest against him, I think it might be ol' eddy boy.

I understand where you're coming from here. I do. It's tempting to let this go that way. But one of the things that has helped make HAF a bit nicer over the long haul, like it or not, has been moderating a little bit more strictly than elsewhere. I don't love doing it, but it's necessary, or else, as Stevil mentioned, we are just like Raving Atheist.

I've been concerned, and have mentioned it to the other mods, that we've been letting too much of it go on recently. In other threads, I'm trying to keep the name calling down and even worthless threads themselves from being created. It's not popular.

I'll bring up your point with the other mods anyway, just to make sure I'm not off track. Thanks!

[Buddy]

I feel like if he wants to get banned, and we want to stay civil, the best thing to do is just ignore him. I think that's one of the first rules of dealing with trolls. Instead of using the ban hammer, which is what he wants, or feeding him to the Asmos, which he would win in his mind, we should just leave him alone to grow bored with his nonsense.

[Guardian85]

I feel like if he wants to get banned, and we want to stay civil, the best thing to do is just ignore him. I think that's one of the first rules of dealing with trolls. Instead of using the ban hammer, which is what he wants, or feeding him to the Asmos, which he would win in his mind, we should just leave him alone to grow bored with his nonsense.

But on the other hand it is kind of funny to poke him and see what kind of crazy comes out next...

[Amicale]

OK, my turn.
Here is Stevil's Veridican Creed of Salvation
I am think that this my be the official Veridican creed of salvation. In other words, if a person can say this and truly believe it and mean it, they will be saved. Here it is:  (Sorry, I stole the above from Egor. Naughty me. Also the below, I stole Egor's format, but most of the words are my own. The message is sincere and introspective)

Dad is my Father, Mum is my Mother, they created me through their passionate union.

I don't know if they made me intentionally or if I was simply a byproduct of lust but the fact is that I am here and I have no choice but to deal with it.

My parents don't need my forgiveness, they support and love me for who I am so that I might succeed in which ever journey I choose.

Therefore I will see the world of opportunities before me and go forth confidently without fear of failure, my life is that of my own making and my will is powerful enough to overcome the many obstacles that will impede my journey.

I thank my parent for their support, their efforts in raising me.
"Thanks Mum, thanks Dad"

Then I declare my journey is that of a student, to marvel at the world, the universe and the cosmos. From that which is small to that which is large. To accept others for who they are, to not pass judgment unless myself or loved ones are in danger. To become an accepting, non judgmental person whom sees the beauty in the diversity of people, cultures and countries. To support my family, my wife and children, to show them that I am always here for them to build up their confidence so that they can choose the journey of their desires. To live my life as an example to my family, to show my children that the world is their playground and that no obstacle is too large. To go forth confidently and optimistically and to live a life, my life however I see fit.

Stevil, I just want to say publically that even though you and I have discussed a couple other concepts we might disagree on/not understand each other's thoughts on.... this post of yours here REALLY made me smile. I loved it a lot. Especially the last paragraph. It's awesome.  Thank you!

[Ali]

OK, my turn.
Here is Stevil's Veridican Creed of Salvation
I am think that this my be the official Veridican creed of salvation. In other words, if a person can say this and truly believe it and mean it, they will be saved. Here it is:  (Sorry, I stole the above from Egor. Naughty me. Also the below, I stole Egor's format, but most of the words are my own. The message is sincere and introspective)

Dad is my Father, Mum is my Mother, they created me through their passionate union.

I don't know if they made me intentionally or if I was simply a byproduct of lust but the fact is that I am here and I have no choice but to deal with it.

My parents don't need my forgiveness, they support and love me for who I am so that I might succeed in which ever journey I choose.

Therefore I will see the world of opportunities before me and go forth confidently without fear of failure, my life is that of my own making and my will is powerful enough to overcome the many obstacles that will impede my journey.

I thank my parent for their support, their efforts in raising me.
"Thanks Mum, thanks Dad"

Then I declare my journey is that of a student, to marvel at the world, the universe and the cosmos. From that which is small to that which is large. To accept others for who they are, to not pass judgment unless myself or loved ones are in danger. To become an accepting, non judgmental person whom sees the beauty in the diversity of people, cultures and countries. To support my family, my wife and children, to show them that I am always here for them to build up their confidence so that they can choose the journey of their desires. To live my life as an example to my family, to show my children that the world is their playground and that no obstacle is too large. To go forth confidently and optimistically and to live a life, my life however I see fit.

This is wonderful.  I declare myself a Stevil Veridican.

[Egor]

But Christians would disagee. They don't believe God is monistic (vehemently) and they don't believe we become Christ in spirit when we are reborn. Christians would see Veridicanism as new age, and they have in the past.

If it is your belief and therefore want in your creed that 'we become Christ' (in a more literal sense) then your words, at least to me, do not seem to fit this belief.

From my descended state,  I asked God to forgive what I had done that through His perfect grace and love  I might be reborn into the light and spirit of Christ he sent to save us.

This, to me, speaks more of becoming perfect LIKE Christ or as God initially intended, but not literally BECOME CHRIST even in spirit.

Yes, we have abandon the idea that an indvidual becomes Christ, because Christ is singular and if one becomes Christ in the universal sense, then they are the totality of Christ. Rather, a person becomes one with Christ and one in Christ. They are reborn into the spirit of Christ.

Technically, that's not Christian. But I do conceed that Veridicanism could be seen by many to be a simple variation of Christianity. But I've been kicked out of a lot of Christians forums for being a Veridican and I've been called a heretic too many times to count.