Thou Shalt Not Test The Lord

[Asmodean]

We have only ONE (real) God, the rest are man-made, fabricated, formed.

Do you have some proof that there are no other gods?

Ooh! Ooh! The Asmo knows that! Yes, yes, he does!

Is... Eh... Gimmeasec...

*sounds of furious rummaging through books*

Ah! Yes! Teh bible, it SAYS so.

[arian (Banned)]

We have only ONE (real) God, the rest are man-made, fabricated, formed.

Do you have some proof that there are no other gods?

No need, ... you are already an admitted Atheist, right?

ATHEIST
unbeliever in God or deities: somebody who does not believe in God or deities
Microsoft® Encarta®

Who made up the definition of the word 'Atheist'? Look at the definition of Theist:

1.  belief in God: belief that one God created and rules humans and the world, not necessarily accompanied by belief in divine revelation such as through the Bible 
2.  belief in god or gods: belief in the existence of a god or gods 

Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2005.

.. where is 'Dieties' in the definition of Theist? Last I checked, Christians believe in a Diety, that is what is taught in Harvard Divinity School where you can get a degree in Theology.

This is what I'm hoping to make people aware of, that we have defined our Bible-God through 'religious indoctrination' for so long, (over at least 2000 years) that people actually go to schools like I mentioned, Harvard Divinity School, or like the Trinity College, to become Christian Ministers.
No wonder there are so many Christian Religions in the world.

Look how they vary one from another, and it doesn't even bother them? Is God seperated? Is that what Jesus taught? How many versions of God did Jesus teach?
How many is taught in a school of Theology, the study of god or gods which are not necesseraly from the Bible?
Sorry, but my God is 'very necesseraly from the Bible'!

1 Cor 8:4-7
4 So then, about eating the food offered to idols: we know that an idol stands for something that does not really exist; we know that there is only the one God. 5 Even if there are so-called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, and even though there are many of these "gods" and "lords," 6 yet there is for us only one God, the Father, who is the Creator of all things and for whom we live; and there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created and through whom we live.

7 But not everyone knows this truth. Some people have been so used to idols that to this day when they eat such food they still think of it as food that belongs to an idol; their conscience is weak, and they feel they are defiled by the food.
TEV

Yes, if two thousand years ago they were used to idols, imagine adding another 2,000 years on top of that? Christians actually believe that their God of the Bible is 'Divine'?

Look up 'devine, and divinations in the Bible, the Old Testament will warn those who turn to devine beings and who seek divinations from them.

But in the 'Gentile Trinity influenced' New Testament Bible translation, they have sneaked the word divine in there, as they did Easter, and the verse:

1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
NKJV

This is NOT in the original writings, it is a lie to keep the man-made doctrine of the Trinity alive.

Here is a version that did not ADD this sentence:

1 John 5:6-8
6 This is the one who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood. 7 And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth. 8 For there are three that bear witness, the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.
NASB

So to sum up your question, there are many gods, and whatever we serve 'religiously', like money, music-idols, mother Mary, the Pope, our church, our denomination,  .. whatever, can become a god for us. Even atheism can be worshipped religiously, and so can excercise.

But for us, it is 1 Cor 8:6, as I mentioned above.

Thanks.

[Asmodean]

Even atheism can be worshipped religiously, and so can excercise.

Why would some fool worship atheism? It's not unlike saying "I'm gonna worship not owning a cow"  ???

Exercise..? Nah. Smokes. Smokes are good. Not worthy of worship, mind you, but good.

[Stevil]

Sorry to repeat myself but I'm not sure that your last post answered the question.
Cor 8:6 is just words in a book of stories, right?

Do you have some proof that there are no other gods?

[Guardian85]

Sorry to repeat myself but I'm not sure that your last post answered the question.
Cor 8:6 is just words in a book of stories, right?

Do you have some proof that there are no other gods?

Or your own "non-theistic god"? (Which seems like the self contradiction of the week, if you ask me)

[Too Few Lions]

We have only ONE (real) God

As I said, the Bible teaches us that for us, there is but One God, .. period.

I think we've got you here arian, hoist by your own petard. You're just a plain old monotheist, not an atheist. Definition of monotheism from the Oxford English dictionary;

monotheism - the doctrine or belief that there is only one God.

That defines your belief, not atheism

If there was only one color of crayon in the world, let's say 'red', it wouldn't make sense to ask for a 'red' Crayon, right? We have and always had only One God. To name that One God just places him amongst the false theistic gods. Now look up the meaning of 'theism', or 'theology', and you will see that gods like Athena, Odin and so on compete with each other, that is why theology was created, so people could decide which god or gods they would prefer to worship. As I said, the Bible teaches us that for us, there is but One God, .. period.

As well as needing to read the Bible and a dictionary, you also need to learn some history. As a species we have worshipped thousands of gods and still do. Yahweh / the god of the Bible is just one of those, no different from any of the others.

The 'meaning' of that NAME should be written in our hearts, soul and minds. Just as I said, if there was only One Color of Crayon, it would not make sense to ask for a red one, but only; "can you please give me that crayon?" If I would say 'red' crayon, people would wonder; "Why, ... is there another color?" .. right?

I think your crayon analogy is just plain stupid and actually defeats your own argument, because there isn't just one colour of crayon in the world, there are hundreds of colour crayons just like there are gods. By calling yourself an atheist, you're also holding up that red crayon claiming it isn't actually a crayon but a felt-tip pen!

Ex 34:13-14
14for you shall worship no other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God,
NKJV

Ezek 39:25
25 "Therefore thus says the Lord GOD:'Now I will bring back the captives of Jacob, and have mercy on the whole house of Israel; and I will be jealous for My holy name'
NKJV

14 And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel,'I AM has sent me to you.'" 15 Moreover God said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: 'The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.'
NKJV

Think about it in these terms, 'there has been only ONE Crayon, and that Crayon has always been red. This Crayon can color anything any color you want, never need any other crayon ever.'

May need to think about it for a second, but I can give more Biblical examples if you wish, ... if not because it offends you, please use the Crayon example.

The original Hebrew word in the Bible translated as 'LORD' and 'GOD' in the crappy NKJV translations you quote above is Yahweh, the name of your god!!! Do you really know so little about the Bible and the history of Yahweh, the god you worship?

You seem to like quoting Exodus 3.15, but I don't think you actually know what it says. It says 'Tell the Israelites, Yahweh the god of your fathers, the god of Abraham, the god of Isaac and the god of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is my name forever and this is my memorial name to all generations.' I think that's pretty clear his name is Yahweh.

And like I said above your crayon analogy is self defeating. You're stood in an art shop with a thousand shades of crayons all around you, holding aloft one crayon that's a particular shade of red claiming 'there has been only ONE Crayon, and that Crayon has always been red. This Crayon can color anything any color you want, never need any other crayon ever.'

If you actually did that in an art shop everyone would think that you were mad, as well as actually factually incorrect.

[arian (Banned)]

The supernatural realm is where Satan resides, who responds to those who call upon him, through divinations, pretending to be an Angel of light, or God himself.

Sounds fun, but why would a creature with that kind of power need or want to pretend to be something other than what it is.

Good point Asmodean, but we watch people who have been brought up with what is mutually agreed on 'good solid morals', and still can do some horrible evil all the time, right, ... why?

What's wrong with "Yo! I'm Satan. Your cancer is gone, but all your soul is belong to us now", or equivalent?

I like your sense of humor in your posts, and this too is a good question, only the answer, or my answer 'to you' may not make sense, since you already chose 'not to believe' in God, or Satan. Why someone who you don't believe exists does certain things would challenge even the greatest proffessors, not alone someone as 'unaducated' as I am.

I will try though, but
First, Satan will never cure cancer, but will influence others to cause it.
Satan would never 'give life' even if he could (especially to his greatest enemies, us, created in Gods Image), but as a prowling lion waits in the shadows to 'take it' by influencing his servants to do his dirty-work.
He cannot touch our souls, we willingly give it to him by accepting his promisses of worldly riches, power, glory, revelry, religion and so on.
Even though these things are not his to give, but again, he can influence those that already serve him to help those that desire these things, receive it, ... at a cost... as you said.
He cannot 'take our souls', but will ask us to do something so terrible, that we eventually loose it.

Thanks, I pray  that makes sense to you.

arian

[Guardian85]

I like your sense of humor in your posts, and this too is a good question, only the answer, or my answer 'to you' may not make sense, since you already chose 'not to believe' in God, or Satan. Why someone who you don't believe exists does certain things would challenge even the greatest proffessors, not alone someone as 'unaducated' as I am.

What's with the quote marks?

[DeterminedJuliet]

First, Satan will never cure cancer, but will influence others to cause it.

Okay, there was a lot of stuff that I didn't really understand, but I found this particular quote especially bewildering. Satan influences people to cause cancer?

[arian (Banned)]

We have only ONE (real) God, the rest are man-made, fabricated, formed.

Do you have some proof that there are no other gods?

Ooh! Ooh! The Asmo knows that! Yes, yes, he does!

Is... Eh... Gimmeasec...

*sounds of furious rummaging through books*

Ah! Yes! Teh bible, it SAYS so.

Try studying religions and the god and/or gods they offer, then use your smarts that I see you have and make a rational decision on which one could be true?

Then, when you realize as I have, that 'religions' can offer only made up false god and gods (as in theism), seek out a rational explanation for the universe and our existance. NOT 'just because the Bible says so',  use that as just another claim, but use reasoning to decide what is true.

Don't accept 'indoctrination' from anyone, neither from the theists, nor the atheists, nor sci-fi theories. Use the facts found in science to make up your own mind.

You already have an advantage if you're an atheist, you already dismissed the belief in all the dieties, now seek out 'the source of being', not some god described in theology.

[arian (Banned)]

We have only ONE (real) God

As I said, the Bible teaches us that for us, there is but One God, .. period.

I think we've got you here arian, hoist by your own petard. You're just a plain old monotheist, not an atheist. Definition of monotheism from the Oxford English dictionary;

monotheism - the doctrine or belief that there is only one God.

That defines your belief, not atheism

It might seem so my friend, only monotheism is still -theism, as in 'one god' in theism.
Theism
Atheism
Monotheism
Tritheism
... and the list goes on and on.

If there was only one color of crayon in the world, let's say 'red', it wouldn't make sense to ask for a 'red' Crayon, right? We have and always had only One God. To name that One God just places him amongst the false theistic gods. Now look up the meaning of 'theism', or 'theology', and you will see that gods like Athena, Odin and so on compete with each other, that is why theology was created, so people could decide which god or gods they would prefer to worship. As I said, the Bible teaches us that for us, there is but One God, .. period.

As well as needing to read the Bible and a dictionary, you also need to learn some history. As a species we have worshipped thousands of gods and still do. Yahweh / the god of the Bible is just one of those, no different from any of the others.

'He That Is', or 'I Will Be what I Will be' is not a name, thus not described in Theism. Plese, ... please don't get offended when I say; 'you must become a real atheist', another words, don't allow the gods in theism that we have been indoctrinated with all these years hinder your search, for only then can you start to seek out the real truth.

Remember that we are searching for the 'truth', not one of them from the 'thousands of gods as in theism', I don't care how great they make him/her/it out to be. Monotheism is still 'one of them gods' usually defined in Christianity, ...  as a 'Diety' who lives in the 'supernatural realm'.

The 'meaning' of that NAME should be written in our hearts, soul and minds. Just as I said, if there was only One Color of Crayon, it would not make sense to ask for a red one, but only; "can you please give me that crayon?" If I would say 'red' crayon, people would wonder; "Why, ... is there another color?" .. right?

I think your crayon analogy is just plain stupid and actually defeats your own argument, because there isn't just one colour of crayon in the world, there are hundreds of colour crayons just like there are gods. By calling yourself an atheist, you're also holding up that red crayon claiming it isn't actually a crayon but a felt-tip pen!

You missed my point, I said; if there was only ONE COLOR of Crayon in existance, naming it 'red' would be senseless. Yes, there are 'many colors' of crayons, just as there are many 'names' of gods in the world. That was my whole point, none of the names/colors represent our Creator, for He has no name/color. I said 'One Crayon' as in 'One God', the others are made-by-man, useless and cant color/do anything.

Ex 34:13-14
14for you shall worship no other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God,
NKJV

Ezek 39:25
25 "Therefore thus says the Lord GOD:'Now I will bring back the captives of Jacob, and have mercy on the whole house of Israel; and I will be jealous for My holy name'
NKJV

14 And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM." And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel,'I AM has sent me to you.'" 15 Moreover God said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: 'The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.'
NKJV

Think about it in these terms, 'there has been only ONE Crayon, and that Crayon has always been red. This Crayon can color anything any color you want, never need any other crayon ever.'

May need to think about it for a second, but I can give more Biblical examples if you wish, ... if not because it offends you, please use the Crayon example.

The original Hebrew word in the Bible translated as 'LORD' and 'GOD' in the crappy NKJV translations you quote above is Yahweh, the name of your god!!! Do you really know so little about the Bible and the history of Yahweh, the god you worship?

You seem to like quoting Exodus 3.15, but I don't think you actually know what it says. It says 'Tell the Israelites, Yahweh the god of your fathers, the god of Abraham, the god of Isaac and the god of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is my name forever and this is my memorial name to all generations.' I think that's pretty clear his name is Yahweh.

Wkipedia-
Yahweh ( /ˈjɑːweɪ/ or /ˈjɑːhweɪ/; Hebrew: יהוה‎) is the name of God in the Hebrew Bible; it is often represented as Jehovah in English-language bibles.[1] The vocalisation Yahweh is a modern scholarly convention for the Hebrew יהוה (YHWH). There are many theories regarding the origin and meaning of the name, and none is regarded as conclusive - the explanation given in the Hebrew bible is "I am that I am", but the most likely meaning may be "He causes to be."

The name in the Bible is 'to be known by'. We are on a quest to get to know our God, and because of our insistance to continue to live in sin, we created false gods for ourselves as I point out in theism. People today are taught to look for our Creator in Theism, you will not find Him there, that is why I'm an atheist, who is against theism and what the idea represents. It wants to include 'He that Is' within its defenition.

And like I said above your crayon analogy is self defeating. You're stood in an art shop with a thousand shades of crayons all around you, holding aloft one crayon that's a particular shade of red claiming 'there has been only ONE Crayon, and that Crayon has always been red. This Crayon can color anything any color you want, never need any other crayon ever.'

If you actually did that in an art shop everyone would think that you were mad, as well as actually factually incorrect.

OK, how about this (please don't take it litterally, I am trying to clear it up for you, an anology. Our CreatorGod is not a crayon)

God=Crayon
Red=Yahweh
Yahweh=All there is

[Stevil]

"for only then can you start to seek out the real truth."

As I have said in the past, anything wrapped in the propaganda dressing of "the truth", instantly losses credibility.
If it actually is the truth, you don't need to dress it up. E=MC² is not given such superfluous dressing.

[Tank]

"for only then can you start to seek out the real truth."

As I have said in the past, anything wrapped in the propaganda dressing of "the truth", instantly losses credibility.
If it actually is the truth, you don't need to dress it up. E=MC² is not given such superfluous dressing.

Precisely. The more somebody has to sell their world view as opposed to simply proposing it and leaving the idea to let it stand its own feet the less credibility the idea has.

[arian (Banned)]

I like your sense of humor in your posts, and this too is a good question, only the answer, or my answer 'to you' may not make sense, since you already chose 'not to believe' in God, or Satan. Why someone who you don't believe exists does certain things would challenge even the greatest proffessors, not alone someone as 'unaducated' as I am.

What's with the quote marks?

Nothing, those are the few things that work just fine for me on this forum. It's when I type beyond the limits of the window that I have trouble with, it jumps me back to 'top' after each letter.

[Asmodean]

First, Satan will never cure cancer, but will influence others to cause it.

Okay, there was a lot of stuff that I didn't really understand, but I found this particular quote especially bewildering. Satan influences people to cause cancer?

If The Asmo was Satan, he would most certainly give people cancer, then cure it in exchange for their souls. Easy money.