God is perfect

[Egor]

Not in my opinion. In my opinion love is respecting and supporting, its not about you its about them, its not about what you want, it is about what they want, its not about what you think is the correct path, it is about what they think is the correct path.

So let'em burn, you say.

[Stevil]

Not in my opinion. In my opinion love is respecting and supporting, its not about you its about them, its not about what you want, it is about what they want, its not about what you think is the correct path, it is about what they think is the correct path.

So let'em burn, you say.

We make our own choices in life, we ought to be respected for the choices we make, unless of course we are harming others.

[Egor]

You're contradicting yourself. Besides, that's not what love means. Love is an action taken for the true benefit of another. That's it.

Wrong again as usual.

Love is a deep, emotional and personal bond between people.  Hell, charitable volunteerism is people taking action to benefit others and they're not doing it out of love, they do it out of comapssion and a desire to lend aid to those in need.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong ???

So when the feelings go there's goes love. "Sorry, dear. I know I said I'd love you in sickness and in health, but you're sick and this other bit at the pub is making me randy, so...I don't love you anymore. I now love her. For now."

That's atheism! Hedonism + Reproduction as Purpose = Love as a feeling.

[AnimatedDirt]

What it basically comes down to for me is that it appears that people who believe in god want to give him both human and non-human traits.

Funny you should say that since the bible claims God came in the form of a human and remains in that form forever and that God, the father part, remains spirit...or whatever he/she is made of.  We, the people don't "want" to give him both, it's expressed as such.  But I think you understand that, but disagree.

Example of human traits:  God needs a sacrifice in order to forgive people their sins.  Really?  What is an incorporeal being going to do with a sacrifice?  That's something that a human that deals in this world would want/need.  But then when it suits them, he also does not have to behave like a physical being.  He can make things appear from nothing.  He, himself, needs to origin.  And so on.  God is magic, but only when it suits.  Other times, he is achingly human.

God doesn't NEED a sacrifice.  The consequence of darkness/sin is death.  It just IS God's nature and that, apparently, cannot be helped.  Instead, God had the OT people sacrifice animals to teach them what sin costs.  It costs life.  Once the NT part of history, or fictional history, came and Christ, God in flesh, came, HE laid his own innocent-to-sin-life as payment for our sin.  God dying was the cost.  In order to be God, Righteous, and Just, there was only one LEGAL manner in which to reconcile a lost sinner from the sin problem.Now you might argue God didn't die...but that is a whole other deep theological discussion, I don't think you want to get into.

The light analogy is weak because light behaves as it does for physical reasons.  It is part of the physical world.  Unless you believe that god is literally made up of light waves, there is no reason that god has to behave in the same way as light.  That's why the "science" of it doesn't follow.  Something is either of the physical world or it is not, and if it is not, I'm not convinced that it is bound to physical laws.

Well, who has seen God in his natural form and lived to say?  Moses saw God's back and could apparently barely survive that...according to the fiction.

[MadBomr101]

You're contradicting yourself. Besides, that's not what love means. Love is an action taken for the true benefit of another. That's it.

Wrong again as usual.

Love is a deep, emotional and personal bond between people.  Hell, charitable volunteerism is people taking action to benefit others and they're not doing it out of love, they do it out of comapssion and a desire to lend aid to those in need.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong ???

So when the feelings go there's goes love. "Sorry, dear. I know I said I'd love you in sickness and in health, but you're sick and this other bit at the pub is making me randy, so...I don't love you anymore. I now love her. For now."

That's atheism! Hedonism + Reproduction as Purpose = Love as a feeling.

He swings and misses...again!

The above caricature that you offer as an example of the atheist capacity for love isn't just insulting, it's yet another head shakingly pathetic example as to just how clueless you are of not only atheists but of people in general.  Atheists are just people who don't believe what you believe and that makes you mad.  In order to cope with your anger you channel it into ignorance and hate which then comes out in the form of stunningly stupid posts such as the one above.

See what you've done?  Now Tank's probably gonna scold me again and it's totally your fault.  

[Whitney]

There's no hate speech on my blog. You seem to think any dissenting view directed at atheism is an insult and hate speech, but you're the only one using foul language and hurling personal insults. I don't do that.

I hate atheism. I hate what it has done to our society, and I hate the ignorance it breeds. I want to do whatever I can to help the unfortunate victims of it. I believe the best way to do that is to spread the true Gospel Message of Jesus Christ.

Recognize this paragraph from anywhere?

Well, yes, I hate atheism, but I don't hate atheists as people. Maybe I should change that on my blog, because though I've said this about 10,000 times in the atheist forums, atheists it seems will see whatever they believe.

That's just the hate the sin not the sinner nonsense.  If you honestly believe that atheists existing is harming society then you hate atheists as people. 

I was trying to come up with an example of a quality of a person that I absolutely hate but can still be okay with the person themselves but couldn't think of one.  I almost started to use Christians as an example but I don't feel hate towards someone just for being a Christian  (not my favorite character trait but can be overlooked ) and those that I do hate fully deserve it (such as that westboro baptist group).  I don't think it's possible to truly hate an aspect of a person yet not hate that person in some way.

Hate is a very strong emotion....frankly I'm surprised so many who claim to know god are so willing to throw the word around so freely; shouldn't you all be setting a higher example for us heathens?

[Whitney]

as a reminder for Egor:

1 Corinthians 13:4-8

New International Version (NIV)

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

[Egor]

He swings and misses...again!
The above caricature that you offer as an example of the atheist capacity for love isn't just insulting,

Whatever. I got it from you.

That's just the hate the sin not the sinner nonsense.  If you honestly believe that atheists existing is harming society then you hate atheists as people.

That's a non-sequitur. It also happens to be untrue. And I should know, given that I'm the one who would have to do the hating.

I was trying to come up with an example of a quality of a person that I absolutely hate but can still be okay with the person themselves but couldn't think of one.  

Well then I guess you don't have the mental discipline of a true Christian.

I almost started to use Christians as an example but I don't feel hate towards someone just for being a Christian  (not my favorite character trait but can be overlooked ) and those that I do hate fully deserve it (such as that westboro baptist group).  I don't think it's possible to truly hate an aspect of a person yet not hate that person in some way.

Do you personally know anyone from the Westboro Baptist Church? How can you hate someone you don't even know? Over words? Seriously? And that makes you better than the very worst possible religious hate-filled nut how? You even claim your hatred is deserved by these people who don't know you and you don't know them. That's not rational.

Hate...a real person...over this shit. You really need some perspective.

I hate atheism. I don't hate atheists. I feel sorry for atheists, because I see them as victims of atheism. I hate atheism because if I could destroy it, by any means necessary, I'd do it and sleep like a baby. But I could never in a million years hate a person—a creation of my Father's, who created them as a unique being in this universe because He thought it was good to do so—simply because they have fallen prey to Satan's lie.

If God has seen fit to give you time to change, I am not going to spend that time hating you. I'm going to spend it trying to convert you.

Hate is a very strong emotion....frankly I'm surprised so many who claim to know god are so willing to throw the word around so freely; shouldn't you all be setting a higher example for us heathens?

Indeed.

1 Corinthians 13:4-8
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Wow—throwing Bible verses at me. Out of curiosity, you're not actually a member of the Westboro Baptist Church are you?

[Whitney]

Out of curiosity, you're not actually a member of the Westboro Baptist Church are you?

wtf?

[MadBomr101]

He swings and misses...again!
The above caricature that you offer as an example of the atheist capacity for love isn't just insulting,

Whatever. I got it from you.

Really?  Show me where.  Post the quote.

[Egor]

I mean I learned it from you. You said love is a feeling and then crticized compassionate volunteers. Well, if love is a feeling then it comes and goes with the wind doesn't it.

[Guardian85]

I mean I learned it from you. You said love is a feeling and then crticized compassionate volunteers. Well, if love is a feeling then it comes and goes with the wind doesn't it.

Wow... cynical, much?

I don't know if you are married or not, but are you really saying that if you didn't have god watching you, your feelings for a wife or girlfriend would be worth less? If that is the case I just lost my last shred of respect for you.

[Gawen]

Wow....simply...wow.

*Musing...*

I hate the concept of 'lack of belief in Gods' and if I could "stamp" it out...(even the terminology startles me).

I don't hate Stalin as a person. I hate the concept or ideology he stood for and if I could stamp it out...

If I hate the concepts or ideologies that people believe in or hold to, the only way to stamp it out is to stamp out those that believe and/or propagate those concepts and ideologies....

...even though I do not hate the person.

Ummmm....therefore, anyone who doesn't hold to my beliefs and/or, because those beliefs and/or concepts that are not mine I hate by proxy and logic. They are wrong and my belief is the only correct belief and if I could, I must stamp out those people to stop the propagation of those awful and incorrect concepts.

Only then when all the incorrect beliefs are stamped out along with those that hold and/or propagate those beliefs and/or concepts that I hate and everyone thinks the same way I do, can I be no longer hate filled...because God loves me.

*musing over*

wow....simply...wow

[Ecurb Noselrub]

Everything that is identified as "sin" in the Bible is so wrapped up with human nature that it's impossible to hate those acts without hating the person, as well.  Think of a factory that produces a product - if you hate the product, it makes no sense to say that you do not hate the factory that produces it.  Instead of getting caught up in this "hate" distinction, it seems more productive to simply realize that some behaviors are destructive (or which prevent us from reaching our potential), and them work in some way to assist people to overcome those behaviors.  That would be an act of love.  If a particular behavior is not destructive, then there is no reason to be concerned about it. Some acts that would have been destructive in another time or culture may not be so today.  For me, the focus in Christianity is off of sin and more on grace and love. Focusing on sin is a more OT concept and is the hallmark of legalism and judgmentalism.  According to the gospel of John, Jesus came to take away the sin of the world. "Sin" as a concept should be becoming less the focus, and acting with love (which "keeps no account of wrongs" - Whitney's verse from I Cor.) more the focus.

[MadBomr101]

I mean I learned it from you. You said love is a feeling and then crticized compassionate volunteers. Well, if love is a feeling then it comes and goes with the wind doesn't it.

Do you just walk around all day making it a point to be intentionally thick?  No, what I really think you do is feed on contention and anger.  You're like a parasite of negativity.  You need help.  Get some fucking therapy you douchebag.  Even Jesus can't stand you.

I know, Tank!  I know!  But this guy is seriously messed up.  He's a trainwreck.