In Stev13jay's opinion

[not your typical...]

I await one of the 7 billion people on earth to show me a fact to back up that their god (whichever one) is real. There are no facts to base the reality of god on, because god is not real.

But there may be realities for which we currently have no facts. We don't know everything.

Maybe.

It may be that we find a fact tomorrow upon which we can base the knowledge of God.

This is not going to happen because we made god up.

You may be justified in not believing in God

Knowing of no god.

but, as has been previously observed, you are not rationally justified in claiming to "know" that God is not real.

It's perfectly rational to claim to know that god is not real.

I know god is not real in the same way I know that unicorns and flying pink elephants are not real. Why can you not simply accept I can know this?

UNICORNS ARE REAL! I demand you to take that back! And while you know that there is no God, might I ask what would you do if one day proof was found of God's existence? Just curious.

[Norfolk And Chance]

I await one of the 7 billion people on earth to show me a fact to back up that their god (whichever one) is real. There are no facts to base the reality of god on, because god is not real.

But there may be realities for which we currently have no facts. We don't know everything.

Maybe.

It may be that we find a fact tomorrow upon which we can base the knowledge of God.

This is not going to happen because we made god up.

You may be justified in not believing in God

Knowing of no god.

but, as has been previously observed, you are not rationally justified in claiming to "know" that God is not real.

It's perfectly rational to claim to know that god is not real.

I know god is not real in the same way I know that unicorns and flying pink elephants are not real. Why can you not simply accept I can know this?

UNICORNS ARE REAL! I demand you to take that back! And while you know that there is no God, might I ask what would you do if one day proof was found of God's existence? Just curious.

I would apologise to everybody I ever offended by claiming there is no god, and then I would go to hell because even if he suddenly became real (which will never happen because he is made up) I would not want to suck up to him, he's horrible.

[not your typical...]

UNICORNS ARE REAL! I demand you to take that back! And while you know that there is no God, might I ask what would you do if one day proof was found of God's existence? Just curious.

I would apologize to everybody I ever offended by claiming there is no god, and then I would go to hell because even if he suddenly became real (which will never happen because he is made up) I would not want to suck up to him, he's horrible.

You still have to take back the denial of the existence of unicorns... And if He is real, that means He gave you life. Now, if you ask me, that's a damn good reason to suck up to anybody... but maybe that's just me.

[Norfolk And Chance]

My mother and father gave me life, god can go and fuck himself.

[Tank]

My mother and father gave me life, god can go and fuck himself.

I thought you didn't believe god existed? So how can he fuck himself? 

[Norfolk And Chance]

My mother and father gave me life, god can go and fuck himself.

I thought you didn't believe god existed? So how can he fuck himself? 

Well it's based on god being proven real

[not your typical...]

My mother and father gave me life, god can go and fuck himself.

I thought you didn't believe god existed? So how can he fuck himself? 

Well it's based on god being proven real

Well then.... Wow........ If God was proven real and he read that, he'd probably smite you... Do me a favor and don't stand next to me.

[Tank]

My mother and father gave me life, god can go and fuck himself.

I thought you didn't believe god existed? So how can he fuck himself? 

Well it's based on god being proven real

Well then.... Wow........ If God was proven real and he read that, he'd probably smite you... Do me a favor and don't stand next to me.

But it would entierly depend on which god were proved real. It is way more likely to be a god we have never heard of. The universe is a big place with probably millions of intelligent speices spread very widly throughout it. It's very egotistical to presume anybody on Earth knows god. We could al be in for a big shock if God ever were proved to exist 

[not your typical...]

But it would entierly depend on which god were proved real. It is way more likely to be a god we have never heard of. The universe is a big place with probably millions of intelligent speices spread very widly throughout it. It's very egotistical to presume anybody on Earth knows god. We could al be in for a big shock if God ever were proved to exist 

Well, yeah, but I still think he'd have the power to smite people. And NAC would just happen to be one of those people.

[Ecurb Noselrub]

We could al be in for a big shock if God ever were proved to exist 

He undoubtedly would not be like anything we have ever imagined.  Again, for someone to claim that they either know God exists or know that he doesn't, is simply irrational. You can have thoughts, beliefs, inclinations, leanings, strong feelings, etc., but to claim knowledge is simply a mistake.

[Norfolk And Chance]

Once again, I know there is no god. It's a pile of made up bunk.

[DeterminedJuliet]

But it would entierly depend on which god were proved real. It is way more likely to be a god we have never heard of. The universe is a big place with probably millions of intelligent speices spread very widly throughout it. It's very egotistical to presume anybody on Earth knows god. We could al be in for a big shock if God ever were proved to exist 

Well, yeah, but I still think he'd have the power to smite people. And NAC would just happen to be one of those people.

Yeeaah, there are a whole lotta people out there who probably deserve "smitting" and will never get it. And there are a whole lot of good people out there who get some really shitty deals in life. In my experience, it's all pretty random as to what happens to whom.

[Stev13jay]

I'd like to start off with apologizing for not coming back to for such a long time. I'm trying to keep on this forum. So the last thing I asked about was abortion. I read through most of the post and it seems like more are for abortions then against. Also the conflict of pro-life vs. Pro-choice. I don't think anyone should just say pro-life or pro-choice its so left vs. Right. I'm a man of sticking to the one topic straight forward pro-abortion or anti-abortion and I am pro-abortion. I think women and couples should have a choice to keep a child or not. If they make the decision themselves it should be no one else's business. They should not have to feel ashamed or embarrassed. Or even fear others around them, if people hear about it that they will be shunned away. So that's Stev13jay's opinion.

[KingPhilip]

I think women and couples should have a choice to keep a child or not. If they make the decision themselves it should be no one else's business. They should not have to feel ashamed or embarrassed. Or even fear others around them, if people hear about it that they will be shunned away. So that's Stev13jay's opinion.

I make a point to bring up that I'm pro-abortion in any conversation about it that I'm a part of. I find it absurd and cruel that women should be forced into a life altering event that could not only destroy their chance at happiness, but bring a child into the world with often very terrible parents. I'm not honestly sure I could do it myself, but to take something you have an opinion on and decide that it should be enforced nationwide, or that anyone not agreeing with you is somehow less of a person, is insane.

[Ecurb Noselrub]

I make a point to bring up that I'm pro-abortion in any conversation about it that I'm a part of.

I like to distinguish "pro-freedom" from "pro-choice" and certainly "pro-abortion."  I can't say I'm in favor of abortion - it does end life at some level.  But the proper person to make the decision should be the moral agent most intimately involved with the particular circumstances, and that certainly is the pregnant woman in the case of the abortion debate.  She's in a better situation to make the free, moral choice about what happens with her pregnancy than any government is.  So, I'm generally in favor of personal freedom, unless there is some overriding social interest.  Generally, the scheme set out in Roe v. Wade seems logical to me.