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Benefits of atheistic "evangelism"

Started by bandit4god, October 15, 2011, 07:05:47 PM

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bandit4god

Quote from: Tank on October 23, 2011, 01:39:41 AM
So we have a second example where you failed to get a simple question across in your OP. What does "Benefits of atheistic "evangelism"" have to do with "Tank, I'm simply asking you and other atheists to articulate what brings you value in your life and why", sweet FA that's what. On the basis of once is luck, twice is coincidence and three times is a trend, I'm beginning to suspect that you don't know what you want to know  ;D

On this and other threads, posters have used words like "fervor" and "tear down" to describe their orientation to atheistic evangelism.  Some stated they find value in it and spend some of their life accordingly.  This interests me!  :)

What does sweet FA mean?

Xjeepguy

I can't speak for every atheist, but I don't usually go out of my way to try to de-convert people unless provoked. Last week I had a rough time with some theists and would have likely tried to de-convert or blatently offend any theist that crossed my path. But normally I have a live and let live policy. It is only when people try to force their views on me, or talk down to me that I get belligerent.

What do I find value in? The same things as everyone else. My wife, children, nature, the mountains, trees, everything around me. I don't need a god to have meaning in my life.
If I were re-born 1000 times, it would be as an atheist 1000 times. -Heisenberg

Sandra Craft

Quote from: bandit4god on October 23, 2011, 01:13:35 AM

I am an evil person--we all are! 

No, we're not and it's unbelievably sad that you've bought that line of BS for yourself.

QuoteWhat's baffling to me, though, is how an atheist could consider an animal and/or it's behavior good or evil.  Are there evil bears?  Can dolphins be evil?  If not, why do you classify humans as evil-able?

Are you truly not aware of human society and the social order/morality we construct for ourselves to make it workable?  It's like some theists live in a bubble.

QuoteTank, I'm simply asking you and other atheists to articulate what brings you value in your life and why.

You were asking originally about the value of atheist evangelism (which I still dispute your examples of), not the value of an atheist life.  Which is it?

QuoteWhat does sweet FA mean?

Sweet fuck all.  Do you need BS explained too?
Sandy

  

"Life is short, and it is up to you to make it sweet."  Sarah Louise Delany

Tank

If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Attila

Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on October 23, 2011, 02:42:58 AM
Sweet fuck all.  Do you need BS explained too?
And there's always WYSIWYG. That's always been a favourite of mine.

Norfolk And Chance

Quote from: bandit4god on October 15, 2011, 07:05:47 PM
The volume of atheistic evangelism--that is, proactive attempts to convince others that God does not exist--has ratcheted up a great deal even in my short lifetime.  Could the atheists here shed some light on their reasons for doing so?

The establishment of a new world view based in reality, not silly superstition. We'll never evolve as a species until we're all on the same page and that cannot ever happen with religion.

QuoteSaid differently, what value are you trying to create (if that's, in fact, what you're doing) and by what standard could it be considered valuable?

All atheists are different and have different motives - personally speaking it annoys me that people are taken in by this god garbage, as for values - not being gullible would be the first one I'd try and get across.
Reality is the stuff that doesn't go away when you stop believing in it ~ Matt Dillahunty

Sandra Craft

Quote from: Attila on October 23, 2011, 12:24:23 PM
And there's always WYSIWYG. That's always been a favourite of mine.

OK, I do need that one explained.
Sandy

  

"Life is short, and it is up to you to make it sweet."  Sarah Louise Delany

Attila

Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on October 23, 2011, 05:10:25 PM
Quote from: Attila on October 23, 2011, 12:24:23 PM
And there's always WYSIWYG. That's always been a favourite of mine.

OK, I do need that one explained.
Your wish=my command. Dates from the old word processor days (Wordstar, FinalWord, etc) I just to run WS on my DEC Rainbow using CP/M 8 bit OS.
WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET
we take it for granted today but it was a big deal in the 80's. Oh, and it's pronounced wizzy-wig

Norfolk And Chance

Reality is the stuff that doesn't go away when you stop believing in it ~ Matt Dillahunty

Crow

Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on October 23, 2011, 02:42:58 AM
Quote from: bandit4god on October 23, 2011, 01:13:35 AM

QuoteWhat does sweet FA mean?

Sweet fuck all.  Do you need BS explained too?

It actually means sweet Fanny Adams.

Fanny Adams was a young girl that got killed and butchered in the 19th century, the term "sweet Fanny Adams" was what the newspapers called the girl, but it got its slang association (which does mean the same thing as fuck all) from the British Royal Navy who were issued with cans of tinned mutton around the time and started referring to the tins as "sweet fanny adams". It caught on and anything that was a poor cut of meat got refereed to as "sweet FA" then later everything that was worthless.
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bandit4god

Quote from: Norfolk And Chance on October 23, 2011, 03:20:22 PM
The establishment of a new world view based in reality, not silly superstition. We'll never evolve as a species until we're all on the same page and that cannot ever happen with religion.

Again, why is this something that you value?  What standard of value are you referring to when you assert "evolving as a species" as being more valuable than not evolving?

Norfolk And Chance

Quote from: bandit4god on October 24, 2011, 03:47:48 PM
Quote from: Norfolk And Chance on October 23, 2011, 03:20:22 PM
The establishment of a new world view based in reality, not silly superstition. We'll never evolve as a species until we're all on the same page and that cannot ever happen with religion.

Again, why is this something that you value?  What standard of value are you referring to when you assert "evolving as a species" as being more valuable than not evolving?

Why do I value reality over make believe?  ::)

Do I really need to answer that?

As for evolving as a species, my personal value marker would be dropping superstitions that cause conflict. We'll never be a peaceful world, but we could get nearer to that if we eradicate religion. I'd call less wars and getting along better "evolving", wouldn't you?
Reality is the stuff that doesn't go away when you stop believing in it ~ Matt Dillahunty

Attila

Quote from: Norfolk And Chance on October 24, 2011, 11:00:57 PM
As for evolving as a species, my personal value marker would be dropping superstitions that cause conflict. We'll never be a peaceful world, but we could get nearer to that if we eradicate religion. I'd call less wars and getting along better "evolving", wouldn't you?
Nope, I wouldn't call that "evolving" in a technical sense (as in evolution by natural selection). Evolution in the technical sense is blind and purposeless. I'd call "getting along better" progress. Does that work for you?

Stevil

Atheism needs positive promotion.

This rubbish about "Good without God" just provokes people, and makes us out to be the bad people.

We need to emphasise what Atheism really means. The ability to think for ones' self, to be selfless, non judgmental, supportive, compassionate, inclusive, value diversity, value the individual, value progress, value culture.

We need to make Atheism cool. We ought to have a symbol, synonymous with a sense of belonging to this group. The symbol needs to be cool, not too scientific, not anti, but positive and bright. We need pendants, shirts, whatever, with some great art.

Fund some community events, e.g. family day, cultural day,... something that can embrace and showcase diversity and help to unite and glorify us in our diversity.

We don't need to compete with religions in their charity events, we all know that is a double edged sword, they will never provide charity without evangalising.

We just need to be much more positive and smarter with regards to promoting Atheism. Most people don't even know what an Atheist is? The majority of Atheists claim to be Agnostic, because they think Atheism is something negative, when really these people are Atheists, they are just scared to associate with the term Atheist, because their perceptions are grossly incorrect.
We need brand recognition, how hard can it be to let people know that an Atheist simply meant a person who does not have a belief in gods?


Crow

Quote from: Stevil on October 25, 2011, 05:59:05 AM
We need to make Atheism cool. We ought to have a symbol, synonymous with a sense of belonging to this group. The symbol needs to be cool, not too scientific, not anti, but positive and bright. We need pendants, shirts, whatever, with some great art.

Fuck that!

I hope that was a a little dig at religion rather than a serious proposition, the reason being if you change the word atheism with Christianity that is exactly what you will find various sects of Christianity (and other religions) are doing.

The worst thing you can do is turn atheism into a brand, it needs stay individual and personal. As soon as you start trying to turn it into a something that reflects more than a disbelief in a god by making into some sort of organization it is practically creating a religion out of it, I don't know if I am alone in this but is something I certainly wouldn't want to be associated with. There are of amazing art, design, music, literature, plays and movies being created by atheists at the moment but it isn't being glorified as being a display of atheism and needs to stay this way.
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