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Started by bandit4god, October 15, 2011, 07:05:47 PM

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Sandra Craft

Quote from: bandit4god on October 22, 2011, 02:52:52 AM
Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on October 22, 2011, 01:51:12 AM
Quote from: bandit4god on October 21, 2011, 08:30:45 PM
That's interesting, I've never heard of such pamphlets before.  Appreciate you sharing!

Neither had I, probably for good reason.  Why do I have the feeling you're now going to run off thinking such pamphlets are in wide circulation and not just something slapped together by one irate atheist to tick off some irritating Xtians he worked with?

Perhaps not... but I walked out to my car after work and my car was covered in them!!

kidding :)

Good one.   ;D
Sandy

  

"Life is short, and it is up to you to make it sweet."  Sarah Louise Delany

Tank

How many theists are misinformed about atheism/atheists?
Why shouldn't atheists actively attempt to correct this misinformation?

How many theists are taught that atheists are evil and tools of Satan?
Why shouldn't atheists actively attempt to correct this lie?

How many theists have ever actually spoken to an atheist to find out what they really think?
Why shouldn't atheists actively talk to theists to show them what they really think?

Why shouldn't atheists actively attempt to destroy the lies and falsehoods of all religions?

Until institutionalised superstition (religion) is wiped out, or at least marginalised to the point it is insignificant and powerless, the real problems of being an evolved ape with just enough brains to be dangerous cannot be addressed. Until humanity accepts its real origins and responsibilities, I.E. grows up, it will be incapable of addressing the issues of its innate behavious and possibly start to cope with the issues brought about by its evolutionary origins.




If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Attila

#47
Quote from: Tank on October 22, 2011, 09:21:11 AM
How many theists are taught that atheists are evil and tools of Satan?
Why shouldn't atheists actively attempt to correct this lie?
Bloody hell, Tank, you take all the fun out of it.
If  we're not evil and tools of Satan, then what's our purpose for being here?
Hi [hushed tone]People of Faith[/hushed tone]. Don't listen to Tank. He's just in a bad mood because the universe didn't cease to exist.

Tank

Quote from: Attila on October 22, 2011, 09:40:37 AM
Quote from: Tank on October 22, 2011, 09:21:11 AM
How many theists are taught that atheists are evil and tools of Satan?
Why shouldn't atheists actively attempt to correct this lie?
Bloody hell, Tank, you take all the fun out of it.
If  we're not evil and tools of Satan, then what's our purpose for being here?
Hi [hushed tone]People of Faith[/hushed tone]. Don't listen to Tank. He's just in a bad mood because the universe didn't cease to exist.
Well one can choose to be an evil tool of Satan, obviously some choose not to  ;D
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Attila

Quote from: Tank on October 22, 2011, 10:22:19 AM
Well one can choose to be an evil tool of Satan, obviously some choose not to  ;D
But I didn't choose; the devil made me do it.  ;D ;D ;D

Ildiko

Quote from: Tank on October 22, 2011, 10:22:19 AM
Well one can choose to be an evil tool of Satan, obviously some choose not to  ;D
In my stars I am below thee; but be not afraid of evil: some are born evil, some achieve evil and some have evil thrust upon them.

All the best,
Malvolio

bandit4god

Quote from: Tank on October 22, 2011, 09:21:11 AM
How many theists are misinformed about atheism/atheists?
Why shouldn't atheists actively attempt to correct this misinformation?

How many theists are taught that atheists are evil and tools of Satan?
Why shouldn't atheists actively attempt to correct this lie?

How many theists have ever actually spoken to an atheist to find out what they really think?
Why shouldn't atheists actively talk to theists to show them what they really think?

Why shouldn't atheists actively attempt to destroy the lies and falsehoods of all religions?

Until institutionalised superstition (religion) is wiped out, or at least marginalised to the point it is insignificant and powerless, the real problems of being an evolved ape with just enough brains to be dangerous cannot be addressed. Until humanity accepts its real origins and responsibilities, I.E. grows up, it will be incapable of addressing the issues of its innate behavious and possibly start to cope with the issues brought about by its evolutionary origins.

The above illustrates the source of my confusion--why?  If I became convinced at 8pm there was definitively no God, by 9pm I'd be drunk, high, and planning the next day's bank robbery.  Through an atheist's lens, what's the value in any of the things you list above?  Why not try to squeeze every ounce of pleasure from life you possibly can?  Why give a second thought about the other apes, past, present, or future?

Tank

Quote from: bandit4god on October 22, 2011, 07:15:10 PM
Quote from: Tank on October 22, 2011, 09:21:11 AM
How many theists are misinformed about atheism/atheists?
Why shouldn't atheists actively attempt to correct this misinformation?

How many theists are taught that atheists are evil and tools of Satan?
Why shouldn't atheists actively attempt to correct this lie?

How many theists have ever actually spoken to an atheist to find out what they really think?
Why shouldn't atheists actively talk to theists to show them what they really think?

Why shouldn't atheists actively attempt to destroy the lies and falsehoods of all religions?

Until institutionalised superstition (religion) is wiped out, or at least marginalised to the point it is insignificant and powerless, the real problems of being an evolved ape with just enough brains to be dangerous cannot be addressed. Until humanity accepts its real origins and responsibilities, I.E. grows up, it will be incapable of addressing the issues of its innate behavious and possibly start to cope with the issues brought about by its evolutionary origins.

The above illustrates the source of my confusion--why?  If I became convinced at 8pm there was definitively no God, by 9pm I'd be drunk, high, and planning the next day's bank robbery.  Through an atheist's lens, what's the value in any of the things you list above?  Why not try to squeeze every ounce of pleasure from life you possibly can?  Why give a second thought about the other apes, past, present, or future?
So from the highlighted sentence you're saying your essentially an evil person kept in line by superstition aren't you?
There is no atheist lens, atheism is 100% lensless. Unlike theism which is the systematic distortion of reality.
If you want to live in the real world and outside of a prison cell there are some things you don't do.
If you want to live in the real world with friends there are some things you don't do.
If you want friends there are things you do do.
Simple, no God required.
Now if you want to live in a lie then fine, do so. But don't expect to be free from criticsism for promoting those lies.

If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Asmodean

Quote from: bandit4god on October 22, 2011, 07:15:10 PM
The above illustrates the source of my confusion--why?  If I became convinced at 8pm there was definitively no God, by 9pm I'd be drunk, high, and planning the next day's bank robbery.
...So you are letting some buzzkill god prevent you from living a little..?


QuoteThrough an atheist's lens, what's the value in any of the things you list above?
Things in your example..? They are all fun that costs you.

QuoteWhy not try to squeeze every ounce of pleasure from life you possibly can?  Why give a second thought about the other apes, past, present, or future?
Compromises make your life easier and potentially longer. You don't have to compromise if you are disinclined to, but ignoring the social contract will make you a purple ape in the world of gray and boring apes, and that aint easy because them gray apes don't particularly like purple and are likely to move against purple things given the opportunity.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Attila

Religion is for the morally challenged. The rest of us don't need a god to figure out right from wrong. Sick. Sick. Sick. Bandit.  ;)

Sandra Craft

#55
Quote from: Tank on October 22, 2011, 09:21:11 AM
How many theists are misinformed about atheism/atheists?
Why shouldn't atheists actively attempt to correct this misinformation?

How many theists are taught that atheists are evil and tools of Satan?
Why shouldn't atheists actively attempt to correct this lie?

How many theists have ever actually spoken to an atheist to find out what they really think?
Why shouldn't atheists actively talk to theists to show them what they really think?

Why shouldn't atheists actively attempt to destroy the lies and falsehoods of all religions?

Until institutionalised superstition (religion) is wiped out, or at least marginalised to the point it is insignificant and powerless, the real problems of being an evolved ape with just enough brains to be dangerous cannot be addressed. Until humanity accepts its real origins and responsibilities, I.E. grows up, it will be incapable of addressing the issues of its innate behavious and possibly start to cope with the issues brought about by its evolutionary origins.

Excellent post, Tank.  I'd only add "how many theists have ever actually spoken to an atheist to find out what they really think, and then believed them when they were told", and I'd settle for religion being marginalized because some people do seem to need it.

Quote from: bandit4god on October 22, 2011, 07:15:10 PM
The above illustrates the source of my confusion--why?  If I became convinced at 8pm there was definitively no God, by 9pm I'd be drunk, high, and planning the next day's bank robbery.  Through an atheist's lens, what's the value in any of the things you list above?  Why not try to squeeze every ounce of pleasure from life you possibly can?  Why give a second thought about the other apes, past, present, or future?

Did you think about your answer before replying?  

1) Did you consider that the percentage of atheists in prison is lower that that of atheists in general society, which suggests that those who believe in some kind of god are more inclined to commit crimes than those of us who don't?  

2) The value of the above (Tank's post) is correcting a wrong.  That always feels good -- just ask anybody who's been misjudged or wrongly accused.

3) Are you aware it's possible to enjoy being alive without getting high, getting drunk and/or committing crimes? Thru this atheist's lens, my life has been more than pleasurable without any of those things.

Others have already pointed this out, but whether there's a god or not, there are still other people to deal with and get along with and serious consequences if you don't.  And that's something that's always puzzled me -- why so many theists don't take that into account when they think about what life without god would be like?  It's like you think other people will vanish at the same time your belief in god does.
Sandy

  

"Life is short, and it is up to you to make it sweet."  Sarah Louise Delany

bandit4god

Quote from: Tank on October 22, 2011, 07:48:02 PM
So from the highlighted sentence you're saying your essentially an evil person kept in line by superstition aren't you?

I am an evil person--we all are!  What's baffling to me, though, is how an atheist could consider an animal and/or it's behavior good or evil.  Are there evil bears?  Can dolphins be evil?  If not, why do you classify humans as evil-able?

QuoteThere is no atheist lens, atheism is 100% lensless. Unlike theism which is the systematic distortion of reality.
If you want to live in the real world and outside of a prison cell there are some things you don't do.
If you want to live in the real world with friends there are some things you don't do.
If you want friends there are things you do do.
Simple, no God required.
Now if you want to live in a lie then fine, do so. But don't expect to be free from criticsism for promoting those lies.

Tank, I'm simply asking you and other atheists to articulate what brings you value in your life and why.

Xjeepguy

I truly believe that the reason theists tend to fear atheism is because of this misunderstanding that we can't possibly have morals without a book and leaders to tell us how. The fact is, fearing a hell does not instill morality. We all know right from wrong, and some of the most devious people I have ever met go to church 3 times a week.
If I were re-born 1000 times, it would be as an atheist 1000 times. -Heisenberg

BullyforBronto

Quote from: bandit4god on October 23, 2011, 01:13:35 AM
Quote from: Tank on October 22, 2011, 07:48:02 PM
So from the highlighted sentence you're saying your essentially an evil person kept in line by superstition aren't you?

I am an evil person--we all are!  What's baffling to me, though, is how an atheist could consider an animal and/or it's behavior good or evil.  Are there evil bears?  Can dolphins be evil?  If not, why do you classify humans as evil-able?



Humans are animals. OK, we got that out of the way. Can animals be evil? Sure. Humans can be considered evil within the confines of a human constructed framework of morality -- man-made morality. Dolphins can be evil within the confines of a dolphin constructed framework of morality. Who are dolphins to judge us when they live outside of our paradigm of what constitutes "good and evil?"

Tank

Quote from: bandit4god on October 23, 2011, 01:13:35 AM
Quote from: Tank on October 22, 2011, 07:48:02 PM
So from the highlighted sentence you're saying your essentially an evil person kept in line by superstition aren't you?

I am an evil person--we all are!  What's baffling to me, though, is how an atheist could consider an animal and/or it's behavior good or evil.  Are there evil bears?  Can dolphins be evil?  If not, why do you classify humans as evil-able?

QuoteThere is no atheist lens, atheism is 100% lensless. Unlike theism which is the systematic distortion of reality.
If you want to live in the real world and outside of a prison cell there are some things you don't do.
If you want to live in the real world with friends there are some things you don't do.
If you want friends there are things you do do.
Simple, no God required.
Now if you want to live in a lie then fine, do so. But don't expect to be free from criticsism for promoting those lies.

Tank, I'm simply asking you and other atheists to articulate what brings you value in your life and why.
So we have a second example where you failed to get a simple question across in your OP. What does "Benefits of atheistic "evangelism"" have to do with "Tank, I'm simply asking you and other atheists to articulate what brings you value in your life and why", sweet FA that's what. On the basis of once is luck, twice is coincidence and three times is a trend, I'm beginning to suspect that you don't know what you want to know  ;D
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.