Bible Slavery v. American Slavery

[xSilverPhinx]

I'm pretty sure alot of those old invalid slaves who couldn't work...disappeared into the night. Never to be heard of again.

And being voluntary slaves who chose to remain slaves, I'm sure they did exactly as their masters told them to do and went into whatever deep dark pit of no return voluntarily.

[Medusa]

I'm pretty sure alot of those old invalid slaves who couldn't work...disappeared into the night. Never to be heard of again.

And being voluntary slaves who chose to remain slaves, I'm sure they did exactly as their masters told them to do and went into whatever deep dark pit of no return voluntarily.

Do you think they voluntarily got on those slave ships leaving their home land in Africa? I don't recall there being like some Slave Boat with the Love Boat music playing in the background. Because I guess you would choose to leave your homeland and go into a ship's belly and lie there. crammed like sardines. Half dying on the trip over. Yeah sign me up. You are delusional.

[Sweetdeath]

It seems Black36 has vanished into said pit...



I'd rather be a sexy cafe maid anyway.

[xSilverPhinx]

I'm pretty sure alot of those old invalid slaves who couldn't work...disappeared into the night. Never to be heard of again.

And being voluntary slaves who chose to remain slaves, I'm sure they did exactly as their masters told them to do and went into whatever deep dark pit of no return voluntarily.

Do you think they voluntarily got on those slave ships leaving their home land in Africa? I don't recall there being like some Slave Boat with the Love Boat music playing in the background. Because I guess you would choose to leave your homeland and go into a ship's belly and lie there. crammed like sardines. Half dying on the trip over. Yeah sign me up. You are delusional.

Africa ??? I was talking about the Biblical salves, who Black36 said were voluntary slaves after 7 years of being owned.

I guess this means I can become a good Poe.

[Medusa]

I'm pretty sure alot of those old invalid slaves who couldn't work...disappeared into the night. Never to be heard of again.

And being voluntary slaves who chose to remain slaves, I'm sure they did exactly as their masters told them to do and went into whatever deep dark pit of no return voluntarily.

Do you think they voluntarily got on those slave ships leaving their home land in Africa? I don't recall there being like some Slave Boat with the Love Boat music playing in the background. Because I guess you would choose to leave your homeland and go into a ship's belly and lie there. crammed like sardines. Half dying on the trip over. Yeah sign me up. You are delusional.

Africa ??? I was talking about the Biblical salves, who Black36 said were voluntary slaves after 7 years of being owned.

I guess this means I can become a good Poe.

Ahh. Well then. I guess it's aok to be a slave. What was I thinking about ,you know, being a free person and all. My bad. Being owned with a bed in a golden cage is being owned with a bed in a stable. YOU ARE OWNED.

[Sweetdeath]

Meep... Calm down, Medusa.
Black36 is the guy who thinks its ok to be a slave, not Silver..

[Medusa]

So doing some light browsing on the subject of biblical slaves. I decided to go to a site that was from Christians. Because going to an anti Christian site might give me biased information. So out of their very own mouths I give you this:
http://carm.org/slavery

Slavery was permitted in the Bible because of sin in the world.  It existed before the Jews were formed as a nation and it existed after Israel was conquered.  God allows many things to happen in the world such as storms, famine, murder, etc.  Slavery, like divorce, is not preferred by God.  Instead, it is allowed.  While many nations treated their slaves very badly, the Bible gave many rights and privileges to slaves.  So, even though it isn't the best way to deal with people, because God has allowed man freedom, slavery then exists.  God instructed the Israelites to treat them properly.

So you know..if you are going to like abuse your children..here's how to go about it and make it legal. Um. No. This 'reason' given is a pile of hogwash and turd soup. But it's not my reasons why slavery was allowed. It's the Bible's reason. Apparently when bad shit happens, we don't condemn it, we just give it some rules to make it look like it's ok. Of course these aren't the rules of the slaves. Of course not. Because you know, they aren't real people. They are in fact property of the master. Just like his mules.

[xSilverPhinx]

I was trying to have a go at showing how being a voluntary slave can be rather absurd (I don't think slavery is okay myself). Choosing to be something which by definition has dimished choices is ridiculous.

Edit: I'm just not that good at satire and sarcasm, though one doesn't need to be a sophisticated satirist to be a good Poe

[Medusa]

I was trying to have a go at showing how being a voluntary slave can be rather absurd (I don't think slavery is okay myself). Choosing to be something which by definition has dimished choices is ridiculous.

Edit: I'm just not that good at satire and sarcasm, though one doesn't need to be a sophisticated satirist to be a good Poe

I realize that now. Which is why I went to go try to find some info on the correct slavery. I still call bs. But not to you. To the other guy who has failed to return here.


*waits in corner reading Satan's Daily

[Black36]

If anyone that actually cares if they are using words correctly would like to read about the difference between objective and subjective they can do so quickly here:
http://www.differencebetween.net/language/difference-between-objective-and-subjective/

It does matter when discussing moral issues but I don't see any real discussion occurring other than among those who agree so whatever...

And for Black36....i don't care if biblical slaves were treated a bit nicer than American slaves or if they had a chance to go free.  That doesn't make it ethical.  Arguing that something is less bad still means it is bad.

Are you appealing to an ultimate objective ethic, or just your own subjective one?

[Medusa]

Biblical slavery is not synonomous with American slavery.

Can you list for us exactly what the differences are. As in a clear and concise list. Not some run around with semantics on words. That's boring. Let's get in to the meat and potatoes about this subject. We've spent too much time on word play. F that shit and get to it man.

[Sweetdeath]

What the crap?
God allows famine, murder and slavery because of sin?
That is so fucked up, it's insane.   Wow, christians really need to read the whole bible instead of cherry picking it. Loving god my ass.

[Medusa]

What the crap?
God allows famine, murder and slavery because of sin?
That is so fucked up, it's insane.   Wow, christians really need to read the whole bible instead of cherry picking it. Loving god my ass.

The bible we know of today was cherry picked to include a mix of Pagan and Christian ideas during the Nicean council. It's been cherry picked from the word edit.

[Whitney]

If anyone that actually cares if they are using words correctly would like to read about the difference between objective and subjective they can do so quickly here:
http://www.differencebetween.net/language/difference-between-objective-and-subjective/

It does matter when discussing moral issues but I don't see any real discussion occurring other than among those who agree so whatever...

And for Black36....i don't care if biblical slaves were treated a bit nicer than American slaves or if they had a chance to go free.  That doesn't make it ethical.  Arguing that something is less bad still means it is bad.

Are you appealing to an ultimate objective ethic, or just your own subjective one?

For the sake of discussion and to not complicate things, let's assume that the golden rule "Do as you will, but harm none" "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" etc is an objective moral system.

[DeterminedJuliet]

Subjective morality is based on the subject's preference. Objective morality is based on the circumstance. Absolute morality is always the case regardless of the circumstance. Biblical morality is objective. Is it wrong to lie? Yes, but there are times when a greater good is in play.

I think I kinda agree with your definition of subjective, your objective seems kinda subjective and your absolute seems akin to my definition of objective.

People often mistake absolute morals as objective morals. They are distinct.

I think you are using semantics to try to invent a god-oriented definition morality that is "logic-proof" against us atheists.
But really, you are just taking the actual definition of objective and trying to split it and make part of it "special" and impervious to "attack" because it's "God ordained".

You might as well keep saying "the slavery in the bible was okay because 'God said so' and not in the U.S. because he didn't" because that's pretty much exactly what you mean.

And you're right, if your argument is "because God said so", no, there really isn't a counter that we can use against that.