A discussion on homosexuality.

[Crow]

^^That made me laugh.  I'm thinking about growing a mustache like that.

Don't forget your sombrero, tequilla, tacos and chilli. Wait a minute... I like tequila, tacos and chilli

[DeterminedJuliet]

Edit, Re: Java. I don't know that I'd call what you're describing as "natural", but I do think that there are a whole host of social and personal pressures and influences that can very strongly effect how a person experiences their sexuality.  

[Ecurb Noselrub]

Comedian Ron White says that straight men are gay, too.  His "proof" is that when straights watch porn, they don't want to see a guy with a small penis having sex with a woman - they want to see a guy with big one. He said it a little more graphically, of course, while sipping his Scotch and smoking his cigarette.

[OldGit]

Maybe that's more wishful thinking than attraction?

[DeterminedJuliet]

This is relevant: apparently Kraft released a "gay oreo" ad publicly supporting gay rights and it created a shit-storm on facebook.
Here's a couple of related links.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06/26/pride-oreo/
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/how-could-you-boycott-a-cookie][url]http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/how-could-you-boycott-a-cookie[/url]

[Sweetdeath]

This is relevant: apparently Kraft released a "gay oreo" ad publicly supporting gay rights and it created a shit-storm on facebook.
Here's a couple of related links.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06/26/pride-oreo/
[url]http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/how-could-you-boycott-a-cookie]http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/how-could-you-boycott-a-cookie][url]http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/how-could-you-boycott-a-cookie[/url]

Ugh, i just saw this an hour ago on my fb.

How fucking ridiulous can people be? Why butt your opinion into other people's lives if it isnt harmful?

[Ecurb Noselrub]

Maybe that's more wishful thinking than attraction?

That's what I think.

[Stevil]

In a very interesting development, one of the main witnesses in favor of Prop. 8 in the trial has reversed his position and has now come out in favor of same sex marriage.

He has certainly got some weird ideas, very traditional ideas about marriage.

I've never understood the argument against gay marriage from the parenthood perspective, whether the gay lovers are single or married how does this impact the children?

Of course, once gays are legally allowed to marry, the next fight is giving them the legal right to adopt children.
But again, people (most likely Christians and Muslims) might say that children require the "balance" of a family headed by a woman and a man, but many kids have been brought up by solo parents, would we rather kids being in temporary foster care rather than find a permanent family? Is there any evidence to suggest having two dads or two mums is detrimental to the children?

[Recusant]

In many jurisdictions in the US, a gay couple, while they can't get married, can adopt children.

As for evidence that growing up in a household with gay parents is detrimental, I did hear of a recent study by some "pro-family" researcher that purported to show this. On the other hand, there are at least a few studies which show the opposite, so I'm inclined to discount the clearly biased study. Sorry I don't have links to any of this; if you're really interested I can scrape around and find some for you.

[Sweetdeath]

In many jurisdictions in the US, a gay couple, while they can't get married, can adopt children.

As for evidence that growing up in a household with gay parents is detrimental, I did hear of a recent study by some "pro-family" researcher that purported to show this. On the other hand, there are at least a few studies which show the opposite, so I'm inclined to discount the clearly biased study. Sorry I don't have links to any of this; if you're really interested I can scrape around and find some for you.

As long as a child grows up.in a loving  home, with good food and education, what does it matter if he/she has two moms, two dads, or a solo parent?


Those "studies" are most likely biased and manipulated. I do not believe in gender roles, or the need for two different sex parents.

we as humans cant place love and warmth in a person's heart because of their gender or orientation.

[Tank]

In many jurisdictions in the US, a gay couple, while they can't get married, can adopt children.

As for evidence that growing up in a household with gay parents is detrimental, I did hear of a recent study by some "pro-family" researcher that purported to show this. On the other hand, there are at least a few studies which show the opposite, so I'm inclined to discount the clearly biased study. Sorry I don't have links to any of this; if you're really interested I can scrape around and find some for you.

As long as a child grows up.in a loving  home, with good food and education, what does it matter if he/she has two moms, two dads, or a solo parent?


Those "studies" are most likely biased and manipulated. I do not believe in gender roles, or the need for two different sex parents.

we as humans cant place love and warmth in a person's heart because of their gender or orientation.

SD would you ever believe a study that determined that generally children do grow up to be more (insert positive measure) in a family with a Mum and  Dad rather than a homosexual couple or a single parent?

I ask this because you appear to be dismissing the research based on your personal bias "I do not believe in gender roles, or the need for two different sex parents." The key word here is 'believe'. Could that belief be changed based on hard evidence?

This isn't an attack on your sexual orientation but a serious question about how you evaluate reality. Are your 'gut feelings' more important than facts? Could facts ever change your 'gut feeling'?

[DeterminedJuliet]

I wouldn't be surprised if children of homosexual couples did experience some disadvantage, if only because their families don't receive the same level of community or social support as straight couples. Or, at least they haven't until recently. I wouldn't say that it's a valid argument against gay folk having children, though.

[Tank]

I wouldn't be surprised if children of homosexual couples did experience some disadvantage, if only because their families don't receive the same level of community or social support as straight couples. Or, at least they haven't until recently. I wouldn't say that it's a valid argument against gay folk having children, though.

Agreed but this is a social issue not a parenting capability issue.

[Sweetdeath]

In many jurisdictions in the US, a gay couple, while they can't get married, can adopt children.

As for evidence that growing up in a household with gay parents is detrimental, I did hear of a recent study by some "pro-family" researcher that purported to show this. On the other hand, there are at least a few studies which show the opposite, so I'm inclined to discount the clearly biased study. Sorry I don't have links to any of this; if you're really interested I can scrape around and find some for you.

As long as a child grows up.in a loving  home, with good food and education, what does it matter if he/she has two moms, two dads, or a solo parent?


Those "studies" are most likely biased and manipulated. I do not believe in gender roles, or the need for two different sex parents.

we as humans cant place love and warmth in a person's heart because of their gender or orientation.

SD would you ever believe a study that determined that generally children do grow up to be more (insert positive measure) in a family with a Mum and  Dad rather than a homosexual couple or a single parent?

I ask this because you appear to be dismissing the research based on your personal bias "I do not believe in gender roles, or the need for two different sex parents." The key word here is 'believe'. Could that belief be changed based on hard evidence?

This isn't an attack on your sexual orientation but a serious question about how you evaluate reality. Are your 'gut feelings' more important than facts? Could facts ever change your 'gut feeling'?

I suppose it is more personal experience than anything. I pretty much raised myself. My mum and dad separated when i was about 7, and then my mum started heavily drinking when i was 12 , so at 13 and on, i raised myself. I suppose you could call it 'single parent.' My dad was never around, and when he did come, it was to bring gifts to make up for the time he wasn't around. (haha)


My gf's parents are still together. Married for over 30 years and whatnot. But the father is a slimeball who is cheating on her and mentally/physically abuses her.
Her mom takes it out on my gf.

SO, parents together or single--- doesn't fucking matter. It only matters if the person or persons raising you are stable. I've seen so many heterosexual parents fuck the shit out of a child's childhood. Like mine, my gf-- and many other close friends.


So, quite honestly-- Yes, sexual orientation doesn't fucking matter in raising a child half as much as actual stability in  a relationship.

[Ali]

So, quite honestly-- Yes, sexual orientation doesn't fucking matter in raising a child half as much as actual stability in  a relationship.

I tend to agree with this.  Here is an article that I recently read on Slate that talks about how that recent study doesn't say so much about the homosexual vs hetrosexual question, as it does about stability (and is actually a good argument for society to embrace gay marriage.)

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2012/06/new_family_structures_study_is_gay_parenthood_bad_or_is_gay_marriage_good_.html