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UFOs and the bible

Started by JuggernautJon, March 17, 2011, 02:43:09 AM

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Tank

Quote from: "Heretical Rants"
Quote from: "Tank"District 9, a low budget offering that relied heavily on CGI did a pretty convincing job with the 'Prawns'.

That's still entirely humanoid. It looks like a bipedal insect robot, sure, but the body plan is still that of a human.
Agreed. The question would be how far can one move from a human body plan and still feel empathy (if that is what you want to elicit). I'm sure the boundaries will be stretched over time.
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The Magic Pudding



There was the odd unusual alien on star trek, the nasty blob of black goo, the whale like space things and some sprite like things.
The snake guys in Star Gate aren't humanoid though they use human bodies.  This is as mainstream as Sci-Fi gets and they make some effort to use non humanoid forms.

fester30

Quote from: "Tank"
Quote from: "Heretical Rants"
Quote from: "Tank"District 9, a low budget offering that relied heavily on CGI did a pretty convincing job with the 'Prawns'.

That's still entirely humanoid. It looks like a bipedal insect robot, sure, but the body plan is still that of a human.
Agreed. The question would be how far can one move from a human body plan and still feel empathy (if that is what you want to elicit). I'm sure the boundaries will be stretched over time.



If Tribbles cannot elicit emotional responses, what can?

I do agree though about empathy.  Even non-alien "lifeforms" normally take on at least a moderately human appearance in movies.  Look at robots like Johnny 5 or Wall-E.  They have "eyes" that can move in certain ways to give off appearance of emotions, and hands and such that can help with the body language (head down, slumped shoulders, sad sad sad).

Tank

Wall-E is one of my favourite films and characters. I love the minimal dialogue it makes the story telling so engaging.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

fester30

Quote from: "Tank"Wall-E is one of my favourite films and characters. I love the minimal dialogue it makes the story telling so engaging.

Wall-E is on my top 5 list all time.  I just can't get enough of that movie.  I love when they're going through space, when he has to use the fire extinguisher.  The artwork there is just breathtaking.  It looks almost 3D.

The Magic Pudding

With this anthropomorphic thing we do I'll probably see a bizarre thing  from Regules Six as akin to cousin Joe.

Tank

Quote from: "fester30"
Quote from: "Tank"Wall-E is one of my favourite films and characters. I love the minimal dialogue it makes the story telling so engaging.

Wall-E is on my top 5 list all time.  I just can't get enough of that movie.  I love when they're going through space, when he has to use the fire extinguisher.  The artwork there is just breathtaking.  It looks almost 3D.
There was a TV programme on recently about Pixar's 25th(?) anniversary and one of the scenes they chose was the space dance. I didn't know this but Pixar will only make films that have been suggested by their own staff. Their reasoning is that only people who have worked at Pixar and on a Pixar film understand what Pixar is all about. It seems to work for them. I had dismissed 'Cars' as being too 'Disney' but they played it after the TV programme. I'm now making sure I see all Pixars film  :)
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Crow

I guess the author of the post may have watched this series, but seeing as nobody else has posted it.

There theories have as much validity as religion.

[youtube:3ud08s4o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qtjI8eGtvM[/youtube:3ud08s4o]

Why is it that American TV is so condescending?
Retired member.

februarystars

Quote from: "Crow"I guess the author of the post may have watched this series, but seeing as nobody else has posted it.

There theories have as much validity as religion.

[spoiler:rcilrcfz][youtube:rcilrcfz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qtjI8eGtvM[/youtube:rcilrcfz][/spoiler:rcilrcfz]

Why is it that American TV is so condescending?

I didn't post a video, but I did mention it on page 2. :P

I quite like the series, if only for the entertainment value of the wild assertions.
Mulder: He put the whammy on him.
Scully: Please explain to me the scientific nature of "the whammy."

Heretical Rants

Quote from: "fester30"
Quote from: "Tank"Wall-E is one of my favourite films and characters. I love the minimal dialogue it makes the story telling so engaging.

Wall-E is on my top 5 list all time.  I just can't get enough of that movie.  I love when they're going through space, when he has to use the fire extinguisher.  The artwork there is just breathtaking.  It looks almost 3D.
That in itself is not very impressive at all, since they're using 3D models. Once you've made the model, you can pose it however you like and the computer renders it.

I must say, though...Pixar is extremely good at animating their 3D models. Breathtakingly good.

Crow

Quote from: "februarystars"I didn't post a video, but I did mention it on page 2. :P

I quite like the series, if only for the entertainment value of the wild assertions.

Haha sorry about that guess i wasn't paying enough attention whilst trying to read through as many posts as quickly as possible.

I also enjoyed the series for the same reasons but also highlights some really interesting archeological finds that i wasn't aware prior to watching the show. Its a theory I would like to be true to an extent just because it would be an incredibly interesting time in humanity and would massively rock the foundations of all religions.
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xSilverPhinx

Quote from: "Heretical Rants"
Quote from: "fester30"
Quote from: "Tank"Wall-E is one of my favourite films and characters. I love the minimal dialogue it makes the story telling so engaging.

Wall-E is on my top 5 list all time.  I just can't get enough of that movie.  I love when they're going through space, when he has to use the fire extinguisher.  The artwork there is just breathtaking.  It looks almost 3D.
That in itself is not very impressive at all, since they're using 3D models. Once you've made the model, you can pose it however you like and the computer renders it.

I must say, though...Pixar is extremely good at animating their 3D models. Breathtakingly good.

Pixar is also one of the first to do so too, right? I remember their animations from way back, always one of a kind.
I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey


Heretical Rants

Yea, Toy Story was the first.

There are plenty of other studios making them now, of course (most notably DreamWorks), and you can make one on your own if you have enough free time, assuming you have access to a computer. Spend enough hundreds of hours fiddling with a scene and you may even produce something of the same level of quality as Pixar has.

xSilverPhinx

Quote from: "Heretical Rants"Yea, Toy Story was the first.

There are plenty of other studios making them now, of course (most notably DreamWorks), and you can make one on your own if you have enough free time, assuming you have access to a computer. Spend enough hundreds of hours fiddling with a scene and you may even produce something of the same level of quality as Pixar has.

I was old enough to be awed by that animation :P
I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey


Laduch

Quote from: AreEl on March 18, 2011, 11:54:12 AM
A most bizarre thread! With the exception of The Magic Pudding, every poster confessed faith in extraterrestrials. This one confession is closest to blind faith:

Quote from: Byronazriel
My stance on aliens is that they exist, but it is really unlikely that they've visited us. We probably wouldn't even be a blip on the radar of a starfaring race, we'd be nothing more than a curiosity at best. What's much more likely is that we'll stumble across them once we start extrasolar colonization/exploration.

Atheism shows keeness of spirit and a desire to question received notions, I'll grant you that. But replacing religion with goblins from another planet requires a remarkable lack of discernment.

Except that believers do not worship UFOs, but trying to figure out what it is rather than just conveniently saying it is just another fairy tale. How would UFO same as myth like goblins? Does Goblins have UK National Archive to support the evidence?
No one knows UFOs are, and no one claims to know. For all I know it might not Alien, but phenomenon exist, and worth the investigation. Being an Atheist doesn't mean we have to deny everything in default, reject anything relate to the idea of "believing."
I'm a man of evidence, and I believe UFO phenomenon exists, and Alien exists.