Re: Should one Christian be reponsible for Christianity?

[Voter]

This sounds extremely reasonable, but I doubt Voter will listen.

Why? It's largely in accord with my own views.

Somehow, allowing rights to gay people will take away his rights. I'm not sure how.

No, saying I can't vote my position if my position has been influenced by religion takes away my rights.

[TheJackel]

This sounds extremely reasonable, but I doubt Voter will listen.

Why? It's largely in accord with my own views.

Somehow, allowing rights to gay people will take away his rights. I'm not sure how.

No, saying I can't vote my position if my position has been influenced by religion takes away my rights.

Two words fit your position Voter:

Theocracy
Bigotry

And just so you know, nobody should have the right to install a Theocracy, or vote one in. This includes Atheists ect. A secular government is the best Government option there is, and you want to simply say it's "Your Right" to install a Theocracy according to your religious ideological constructs and conscience.. Well according the constitution kiddo, you need to learn the meaning of Separation of Church and State! This isn't taking away your Rights sir, nobody has that right to install such Bigotry and Theocritus agendas according to their religious, or moral religious points of view.

Very simple, and those two words are exactly what you are voting for no matter how much you want to rationalize it away. I really hope you are not that brainwashed or deluded. BTW this is also equivocating as passing persecution and judgment to which under your religion is a mortal sin. From your arguments, I can seriously tell that you are in favor of removing the secular and neutral Government so it caters specifically to your very skewed and messed up version of morality and religion. Either that, or you are logically and rationally clueless as to what you are actually doings and are only cheer-leading for religious political movements that are apparently beyond your understanding and scope.

You can go to

http://www.theocracywatch.org  or google the Theocritus movements here in the United States.
http://www.publiceye.org/christian_right/cr_intro.html
http://www.brucegourley.com/christianna ... ocracy.htm

Theocratic Organizations

Alliance for Marriage
American Center for Law and Justice
American Family Association
American Vision - founded by Gary Demar, leading theocratic ideologue
Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights
Chalcedon Foundation - led by R. J. Rushdoony
Christian Action Network
Christian Business Men's Committee
Christian Coalition of America
Christian Exodus
ChristianAmerica.Com
Citizens for Excellence in Education - arm of National Association of Christian Educators
CitizenLink.Com - an arm of Focus on the Family
Coalition on Revival - Applying Biblical Principles to Every Sphere of Life and Thought
Concerned Women for America
Constitutional Law for Enlightened Citizens
Coral Ridge Ministries - led by D. James Kennedy
Council for National Policy - secret government council policy formed by Tim LaHaye
Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood
Creation Resource Foundation
Eagle Forum
Family Policy Network
Family Research Council
Free Congress Foundation
Home School Foundation - funded by the HSLDF
Home School Legal Defense Foundation (HSLDF)
Institute for Christian Economics - led by Gary North
National Association of Christian Educators (NACE)
Joshua Generation - aimed at 11 to 19 year olds; affiliated with Patrick Henry College
National Center for Home Education - affiliated with HSLDF
National Clergy Council
National Home Education Research Institute (NHERI)- funded by HSLDF
Operation Rescue
Restore America
Rutherford Institute
Traditional Values Coalition
Vision America - founded by Rick Scarborough, Baptist
Vision Forum Ministries
Wall Builders - led by David Barton
Worldview Weekend

And I am almost curious as to which one of these you are aligning yourself up with.

[AnimatedDirt]

What if God's guiding and steering them to their actions? He frequently works through people. IMO it's a tough Biblical sell to say we shouldn't act in accord with God's morality because that would indicate a lack of faith.

Not what I said.  I said Christians have the faith that makes them think it is they who need to do the work God is "out to lunch" on.  That is their faith at work.

[AnimatedDirt]

I can seriously tell that you are in favor of removing the secular and neutral Government so it caters specifically to your very skewed and messed up version of morality and religion.

I would tend to agree, not specifically at Voter, but at the majority of protesting Christians.
(not that it is skewed and messed up...that's your personal perspective, Jackel)  

[TheJackel]

What if God's guiding and steering them to their actions? He frequently works through people. IMO it's a tough Biblical sell to say we shouldn't act in accord with God's morality because that would indicate a lack of faith.

Not what I said.  I said Christians have the faith that makes them think it is they who need to do the work God is "out to lunch" on.  That is their faith at work.

Hence, they think they can play GOD.. And I don't think he realizes how dangerous that concept is. It's even worse when their religion forbids them from doing so, and that should tell you a lot about how the ideological construct works. It's simply about power and control along with the worship of it. That is exactly what religion is as  a base structure.

[TheJackel]

I can seriously tell that you are in favor of removing the secular and neutral Government so it caters specifically to your very skewed and messed up version of morality and religion.

I would tend to agree, not specifically at Voter, but at the majority of protesting Christians.
(not that it is skewed and messed up...that's your personal perspective, Jackel)  

It is when it gets installed into a Theocracy. Things like that is how people start killing each other, or how persecution begins.

[LegendarySandwich]

No, saying I can't vote my position if my position has been influenced by religion takes away my rights.

Do what you want.

[Voter]

Not what I said.  I said Christians have the faith that makes them think it is they who need to do the work God is "out to lunch" on.  That is their faith at work.

I've never met a Christian who thinks God is "out to lunch" concerning human events. Can you support that this is common, or is this just your rationalization for your own view?

[Stevil]

Voter, I don't think anyone is saying that you should not have the right to vote however you want.

People are simply disgussing your stance and the consequences it has on other people's lives and on society as a whole. It is good that you have taken the time to read our posts and debate this topic with us, I understand a topic of "Voter's stance" is personal to you and you may very well feel attacked so you have been patient in tolerating this discussion. Ultimately you have and will continue to have the democratic right to vote as you see fit, noone is doubting your right to vote.

[LegendarySandwich]

Not what I said.  I said Christians have the faith that makes them think it is they who need to do the work God is "out to lunch" on.  That is their faith at work.

I've never met a Christian who thinks God is "out to lunch" concerning human events. Can you support that this is common, or is this just your rationalization for your own view?

*Sigh*

He's saying that their actions speak of a position that "God has gone out to lunch", not that they're actually saying that.

[AnimatedDirt]

The only thing I corrected you on was that marriage is not an institution

Just for giggles...

Wikipedia - Marriage and; Wikipedia - Institution

:p

[TheJackel]

The only thing I corrected you on was that marriage is not an institution

[Voter]

Not what I said.  I said Christians have the faith that makes them think it is they who need to do the work God is "out to lunch" on.  That is their faith at work.

I've never met a Christian who thinks God is "out to lunch" concerning human events. Can you support that this is common, or is this just your rationalization for your own view?

*Sigh*

He's saying that their actions speak of a position that "God has gone out to lunch", not that they're actually saying that.

*Double Sigh*

And I pointed out that one can equally interpret that they believe god is steering and guiding them. So, absent knowledge that they're actually saying or thinking the one, it's idle speculation, and Biblically I actually have a stronger case.

[Voter]

Voter, I don't think anyone is saying that you should not have the right to vote however you want.

Yes, some are, and others are demonizing me for doing so, if not actually saying I should lose the right.

[AnimatedDirt]

Not what I said.  I said Christians have the faith that makes them think it is they who need to do the work God is "out to lunch" on.  That is their faith at work.

I've never met a Christian who thinks God is "out to lunch" concerning human events. Can you support that this is common, or is this just your rationalization for your own view?

Basically the thinking that it is our Christian duty to legislate God's morals/laws on secular society.  It is not our duty to do so.

The bottom line is that God's laws/morals are not substanciated by man's stamp.