Arizona's Illegal Immigration Law

[TheJackel]

Davin,

You have some points in regards to some evidence I can't provide yes, However your entire argument is based on what appears to be ignoring that the problems even exist because I can't physically show you this evidence online.. Listen I'm Brazilian, and let me tell ya, you really have no clue as to what's going on, or how bad it really is, Especially here in Boston. Though you can state many might get paid under the table, but that is tax evasion and fraud, as well as employment fraud by both parties, and that = Federal Crime.. However, you have made some interesting points above to where there is obviously margins of error, and giving that no exact info can be found without actually doing your own investigations does not magically make any of these problems not a problem. And so far your only answer is to agree they shouldn't be here, while seemingly trying to argue that we should do absolutely nothing to stop it. We ought to just toss our hands in the air and just hand over the entire United States over to the illegal immigrants, ID's, JOBS, and all.. Under your logic, China could just send several hundred million of their civilians over here on ships and just take over without even having to use a gun or weapon.

So since I can't provide any empirical physical evidence the following doesn't happen or is never committed by illegal aliens because I can't hand it over to you on the internet:

Federal Crime
Tax evasion
Employment fraud
ID Theft
Violent Crimes
Gang Violence
Voting in our elections
having fake, stolen, or purchased SSN's
False ID's
False or forged documents (which is a crime to)
Leech off the US taxpayer
Credit fraud
Open accounts in other peoples names
Utility bills under other peoples names
Ruin other peoples lives
Kidnapping to which is prolific in the border states
Use the US taxpayer for free education and health care
Commit many other non-violent crimes

So to settle your Religious debate argument here of the "I have Baseball": Tell me, do illegal aliens in fact commit any of the above?  If you say no, evidence please.. If you say yes, evidence please.. In either case you can not provide 100% proof that either is true over the internet.. Even videos can simply be dismissed as a lie ecta.. Nothing you can provide either way on this issue could be considered empirical because it can all simply be denied... So how do we figure and validate these things? Well, it's not on the internet is it.. However, you can't claim this as such a debate because the problem actually exists.. What you are basically doing is trying to give wiggle room to making illegal legal..  They are not above reproach!

When you can provide me evidence that this isn't a problem that doesn't need to be addressed you let me know.. Because your own inability to go out there and really figure what is going on shows that you are seemingly careless that illegal immigrants are here, and what they may or may not be doing.. And trust me, they play for your sympathies, and even manipulate it like fiddle. Much of your arguments really show your lack of understanding of the illegal subculture.  

Sorry, I would rather pay the bill to deport them all and take away every possible means of survival they could have here away from them in order to fix the problem than just sit and watch them ransack this Nation, or the people who live here legally.. Let me tell ya, a Brazilian illegal here in Revere MA will take anything they can get from you LOL.  And we know all to well what the Latino Mexican's are up to here in Revere as well.. Sadly ICE and the INS are nearly non-existent here in BOSTON :/ And I know these things through our subculture and not just some internet statistic or link you like to just dismiss.

And Granted, I'm pretty sure you will constitute this as no-evidence.. So I will merely concede that nothing I can provide will ever be evidence to you.. So yeah, live in lala land, ignore the problem and see where that goes.  

[philosoraptor]

I've noticed all the people who seem to have problems with illegal immigrants are those who were fortunate enough to have been born in the US.  I get the feeling some people might feel differently if it were one of their parents or relatives facing deportation.  I find the lack of compassion a little disheartening.

America was founded by immigrants.  Immigrants who stole from the natives, and killed them.  Unless you happen to be a member of one of the Native American tribes that have always been here, you too are an immigrant.  I have a hard time saying that anyone who wants to be here shouldn't be given that opportunity.

[TheJackel]

I've noticed all the people who seem to have problems with illegal immigrants are those who were fortunate enough to have been born in the US.  I get the feeling some people might feel differently if it were one of their parents or relatives facing deportation.  I find the lack of compassion a little disheartening.

Though I was fortunate enough to be Born in Brazil, I was also fortunate enough to have been brought over legally!.. And many of these illegals are the type of people that do nothing to fight and change things in their own countries of origin.. It's easier to jump the fence and take advantage, and manipulate a system that easily allows you to without giving a rats ass who pays for it, or who you may hurt in the process.. It's selfish arrogance.. Now we can't blame the children, but it's pretty sick that the parents use the children to manipulate and abuse the law, and they system to get what they will selfishly take without even so much as asking, or applying through the legal channels!.. Sorry, I have no sympathy when many of their actions mindlessly effect the lives of other people..  Hence, when is it charity when one simply demands and takes it without it being kindly given? Where is the moral civility, and respect that we don't leech off the back of others, or destroy other peoples lives just so we can better our own lives?.

America was founded by immigrants.  Immigrants who stole from the natives, and killed them.  Unless you happen to be a member of one of the Native American tribes that have always been here, you too are an immigrant.  I have a hard time saying that anyone who wants to be here shouldn't be given that opportunity.

Yes, America was founded by immigrants, and yes these immigrants killed natives.. However, once again you can't change history, or blame the children or future generations for the wrongs to which their parents commit. And btw, 95% of the natives were killed by disease and not by fighting.. And this little immigrant argument and war argument can be said to be true throughout human history in just about any given location at some time or another.. So what is it that needs to be done here? When do you stop as a human species from partaking in such activities?.. We can list excuses all day long and get no-where.. And the problem isn't immigration, it's illegal immigration and the problems it causes!.. In this day an age, there is no excuse not to go through legal channels and wait your turn.. My parents waited 9 years before they were allowed to immigrate here!  

The whole point of legal immigration is to pull your own weight without causing any problems, breaking any laws, or selfishly taking and abusing a system that is not there for you to take and abuse!.. Those who generally really do care about becoming an American Citizen are those who come here Legally.. Illegals think they are above reproach when it comes to breaking federal laws and don't feel like they should have to abide by these laws like everyone else does..

It's like, Oh I'm sorry, I destroyed your daughters credit history and made her pay for my wife's pregnancy ectr.. Oh, and you will be paying for babies education to! Thanks!. Sorry to hear that your daughter can't afford college, or can't get a job to pay for it, but thanks for the in state tuition and scholarships. Oh, and you don't mind if we vote do you? . People like this deserve to get booted, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Fix these problems by coming here legally and I will be more than happy to see you here!..

[philosoraptor]

No shit the natives were killed by disease-because after immigrants stole their land, they purposefully gave them blankets infested with small pox.  I never said anything about fighting, did I?

It's fortunate you arrived her via legal channels.  However, when you're fleeing for your life, maybe you don't have 9 years to just hang around and wait for them to deny your claims for a visa or asylum.  I'm not endorsing illegal activities by immigrants, but immigrants aren't entirely to blame.  Americans are more than willing to illegally employ these people, to abuse them and take advantage of them because they know they can get away with it.  If no one was willing to employ illegal immigrants, there would be less incentive for them to come here.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Here in Boston I can buy a Green Card for 50 bucks, and a Fake ID for 300. Most of the Brazilian illegals in my hood use purchased SSN's and cards for nothing more than 60-120 bucks.

You guys are getting ripped off.  The prices on Figueroa in LA are, respectively, 30, 100, and 30-50.

You really should talk to your union rep.

[philosoraptor]

Here in Boston I can buy a Green Card for 50 bucks, and a Fake ID for 300. Most of the Brazilian illegals in my hood use purchased SSN's and cards for nothing more than 60-120 bucks.

You guys are getting ripped off.  The prices on Figueroa in LA are, respectively, 30, 100, and 30-50.

You really should talk to your union rep.

I think I love you.  

[TheJackel]

No shit the natives were killed by disease-because after immigrants stole their land, they purposefully gave them blankets infested with small pox.  I never said anything about fighting, did I?

Wtf? LOL.. I didn't realize they had small pox sweat shops. American's technically don't own land, they pay property taxes and it can be taken from them, or you should the government seek to take it..If you have a house, or have property, Read carefully the Deed to the property you think is yours. you are listed as a TENANT. (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1st Session) the government can take your property (often referred to as eminent domain or condemnation)

Example:

Wiki:
Kelo v. City of New London, 545 U.S. 469 (2005)[1] was a case decided by the Supreme Court of the United States involving the use of eminent domain to transfer land from one private owner to another to further economic development. The case arose from the condemnation by New London, Connecticut, of privately owned real property so that it could be used as part of a comprehensive redevelopment plan. The Court held in a 5â€"4 decision that the general benefits a community enjoyed from economic growth qualified such redevelopment plans as a permissible "public use" under the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment. In September 2009, the land where Susette Kelo's home had once stood was an empty lot, and the promised 3,169 new jobs and $1.2 million a year in tax revenues had not materialized.

So technically you can't even claim that the people living here actually own any land.... And much of the land is sold to foreign entities, or governments and businesses.. The people no longer actually own it, so your argument is irrelevant, especially considering how many different nationalities live here now. So your American Indian slaughter nonsense can't even be applicable as a valid argument..  

It's fortunate you arrived her via legal channels.  However, when you're fleeing for your life, maybe you don't have 9 years to just hang around and wait for them to deny your claims for a visa or asylum.

We are not the worlds refugee camp, and silver spoon. perhaps they need to learn how to fight and change the future of their country rather than bringing those problems here. Charity that is taken is not Charity at all, but Charity stolen from others to which is meant to be given to.. And I have stated before, I don't have a problem with granting visa's and asylums to those who it can be applicable to within reason.. Hence, we fail to realize population growth is also destroying this country and it's beautiful lands.. Sorry, But I don't want to see the entire United States turned into an Urban concrete Jungle with billions of people here.. We can't save the world, nor can we ingest every single poor, or persecuted soul out there!.. Personally I think there are already too many people in this Country, and you can't even walk 5 feet without passing up human trash.. Nearly half of the 10,000 lakes in MIN are polluted. I wouldn't even recommend drinking any of the water from the great lakes.  So what should America do? Go around a import every possible person seeking to come here?

I'm not endorsing illegal activities by immigrants, but immigrants aren't entirely to blame.

For their illegal activities? They most certainly are entirely to blame! I guess they are above not only reproach but personal responsibility as well?

Americans are more than willing to illegally employ these people, to abuse them and take advantage of them because they know they can get away with it.  If no one was willing to employ illegal immigrants, there would be less incentive for them to come here.

Speak for yourself.. I'm more than willing to report (anonymously, for safety reasons) them and deport them .. And of course people love to hire them, it's cheap labor, and paying under the table is a tax evading relief fund for both parties.. Same kind of nonsense is why your jobs got shipped overseas due buying cheap imported slave labor products to which created the demand and competitive market for it.  Now, everyone blames the GOV and CORPS because they can't handle the fact that they don't have any concept of what Capitalism is, or why Demand is the single most powerful element that controls the entire world market and where the Jobs are.. The second being tariffs, or China manipulating their currency.. Yet, I keep telling people to buy products made with their own labor to which creates the demand that they hire you in order to sell to you..

[TheJackel]

Here in Boston I can buy a Green Card for 50 bucks, and a Fake ID for 300. Most of the Brazilian illegals in my hood use purchased SSN's and cards for nothing more than 60-120 bucks.

You guys are getting ripped off.  The prices on Figueroa in LA are, respectively, 30, 100, and 30-50.

You really should talk to your union rep.

I think I love you.   Either that, or you're messing with me ..

[philosoraptor]

American's technically don't own land, they pay property taxes and it can be taken from you should the government seek to take it.. Read carefully the Deed to the property you think is yours. you are listed as a TENANT. (Senate Document 43, 73rd Congress 1st Session) the government can take your property (often referred to as eminent domain or condemnation)

Uh, that's great.  But what does it have to do with illegal immigrants?  I was talking about the immigrants who came here before the existence of the laws regarding the ownership of property, so this seems kind of irrelevant to that.

We are not the worlds refugee camp, and silver spoon. perhaps learn how to fight and change the future of your country rather than bringing those problems here.

You assume that all people don't do these things.  Some of them do.  I'm not wholly aware of the political climate in Brazil, but many people who immigrate are coming from places where dissent against the government or the expression of a negative opinion of politics could get you killed.  Are you suggesting these people be martyrs?  Because I don't see what, if anything, this accomplishes.

We can't save the world, nor can we ingest every single poor, or persecuted soul out there!

Oh, but we do try to save the world, by invading other countries and starting wars that kill innocent people on both sides under the guise that we're fighting terrorism.  We contribute to making these places unsafe for the people who live there, because America has to act as the world's police.  I can't blame anyone for wanting to escape that.  Who said anything about ingesting (seriously, weird word choice) EVERY soul into America anyway?

Speak for yourself.. I'm more than willing to report (anonymously, for safety reasons) them and deport them ..

That's great.  It also doesn't mean shit if YOU are willing to deport them when hundreds of businesses who employ illegal immigrants ARE NOT.  If you want to deport illegal immigrants, go work for the Arizona government.

Now, everyone blames the GOV and CORPS because they can't handle the fact that they don't have any concept of what Capitalism is, or why Demand is the single most powerful element that controls the entire world market and where the Jobs are..

Maybe you should take your own advice about speaking for yourself.  You can't possibly know what everyone thinks or who they blame.  I'm also willing to wager that there are many people here with a greater understanding of the complex workings of capitalism than yourself, so the patronizing tone you're taking is pretty offensive.  I'm not stupid, and neither are most of the people here.

And again, you DO live here legally.  Apparently, you take that for granted.  It's so easy to condemn immigrants and their actions and say they should just man up and either change their countries or immigrate legally, as if it's just that simple.  Armchair warrior is the term that comes to mind.  Nothing about your argument compels me.

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

That is part of the inscription from the Statue of Liberty.  If illegal immigrants don't fall under that, than I don't know who does.

[Davin]

Davin,

You have some points in regards to some evidence I can't provide yes, However your entire argument is based on what appears to be ignoring that the problems even exist because I can't physically show you this evidence online.. Listen I'm Brazilian, and let me tell ya, you really have no clue as to what's going on, or how bad it really is, Especially here in Boston. Though you can state many might get paid under the table, but that is tax evasion and fraud, as well as employment fraud by both parties, and that = Federal Crime.. However, you have made some interesting points above to where there is obviously margins of error, and giving that no exact info can be found without actually doing your own investigations does not magically make any of these problems not a problem. And so far your only answer is to agree they shouldn't be here, while seemingly trying to argue that we should do absolutely nothing to stop it. We ought to just toss our hands in the air and just hand over the entire United States over to the illegal immigrants, ID's, JOBS, and all.. Under your logic, China could just send several hundred million of their civilians over here on ships and just take over without even having to use a gun or weapon.

I know you can't provide evidence, that is my point. Making claims that things are "facts" or people are burying their heads in the ground if they disagree with you when you haven't provided the evidence, is irrational. You continue to ignore what I've said and keep arguing against some imaginary person while pretending that person is me. Secondly you making irrational statements like "We ought to just toss our hands in the air and just hand over the entire United States over to the illegal immigrants, ID's, JOBS, and all.. Under your logic," which is not only not my logic but completely ridiculous. Why don't you address my points instead of these straw mans? I've said this before and I'll probably have to tell you again: I would have no problem if you just said you have no evidence and it's just your speculation about how bad the problem is and stop claiming the things you're saying are facts. That's it. You can keep professing all the bullshit you want, as long as you call it what it is: speculation.

So since I can't provide any empirical physical evidence the following doesn't happen or is never committed by illegal aliens because I can't hand it over to you on the internet:

Federal Crime
Tax evasion
Employment fraud
ID Theft
Violent Crimes
Gang Violence
Voting in our elections
having fake, stolen, or purchased SSN's
False ID's
False or forged documents (which is a crime to)
Leech off the US taxpayer
Credit fraud
Open accounts in other peoples names
Utility bills under other peoples names
Ruin other peoples lives
Kidnapping to which is prolific in the border states
Use the US taxpayer for free education and health care
Commit many other non-violent crimes

So to settle your Religious debate argument here of the "I have Baseball": Tell me, do illegal aliens in fact commit any of the above?  If you say no, evidence please.. If you say yes, evidence please.. In either case you can not provide 100% proof that either is true over the internet.. Even videos can simply be dismissed as a lie ecta.. Nothing you can provide either way on this issue could be considered empirical because it can all simply be denied... So how do we figure and validate these things? Well, it's not on the internet is it.. However, you can't claim this as such a debate because the problem actually exists.. What you are basically doing is trying to give wiggle room to making illegal legal..  They are not above reproach

I see, quiting before even giving it a good attempt at providing evidence. That doesn't settle the religious argument, it clearly demonstrates that you're on the illogical side of it: You made a claim, I asked you to prove it, then you told me to provide your evidence for you. No, that is not what I'm basically doing. Once again, if you want to have a rational discussion, you must discuss what I say and not something you just made up.

When you can provide me evidence that this isn't a problem that doesn't need to be addressed you let me know.. Because your own inability to go out there and really figure what is going on shows that you are seemingly careless that illegal immigrants are here, and what they may or may not be doing.. And trust me, they play for your sympathies, and even manipulate it like fiddle. Much of your arguments really show your lack of understanding of the illegal subculture.

Sorry, that's not the way a rational discussion has to happen, all I have to do is make sure that you claim is reasonable, I don't have to make one of my own.

Sorry, I would rather pay the bill to deport them all and take away every possible means of survival they could have here away from them in order to fix the problem than just sit and watch them ransack this Nation, or the people who live here legally.. Let me tell ya, a Brazilian illegal here in Revere MA will take anything they can get from you LOL.  And we know all to well what the Latino Mexican's are up to here in Revere as well.. Sadly ICE and the INS are nearly non-existent here in BOSTON :/ And I know these things through our subculture and not just some internet statistic or link you like to just dismiss.

There's lot's of evidence that works over the internet: it comes from reputable sources, it provides the data and the rational behind the conclusions. I don't care about how much you claim to know over the internet, I'm not going to take you as an authority just so that you can appeal to authority using yourself.

And Granted, I'm pretty sure you will constitute this as no-evidence.. So I will merely concede that nothing I can provide will ever be evidence to you.. So yeah, live in lala land, ignore the problem and see where that goes.  

There's lot's of evidence you could provide if it existed, so in the absence of evidence for your claim let's just call it speculation and you can stop claiming that people that don't align with your point of view are ignoring the "evidence" (which doesn't exist). And once again, discuss what I say and not something you just made up.

[Tank]

I've noticed all the people who seem to have problems with illegal immigrants are those who were fortunate enough to have been born in the US.  I get the feeling some people might feel differently if it were one of their parents or relatives facing deportation.  I find the lack of compassion a little disheartening.

America was founded by immigrants.  Immigrants who stole from the natives, and killed them.  Unless you happen to be a member of one of the Native American tribes that have always been here, you too are an immigrant.  I have a hard time saying that anyone who wants to be here shouldn't be given that opportunity.

While I've been reading this thread this same thought has been running through my mind. I didn't feel like voicing it as I'm not in the US. I'm glad a US citizen has articulated so well what I was thinking. From an outsiders view it does look rather like the first bunch in were happy to let anybody else in until they could build a fence with 'Keep Out' written on it.

The UK is having a lot of issues with people seeking a better life and coming here. It is in a way a great compliment to our country. It's when people are leaving that you need to worry that you're ding something wrong. The USA has masses of space and natural resources, it seems pointless to not accept that the people that have already made it there should not be granted citizenship. Let's face it many of them have risked their lives to get there. If one is born in a country what commitment have they made to that country? Bugger all really, until they are adults. Would one deport a person born in the USA because they were lazy? Of course not.

We've had a lot of Polish immigration over the last few years and they have put many Brits to shame with their attitude to hard work (Bring it on!). While my emotional investment is in my identification as British it really shouldn't be. Logically I should encourage anybody who wishes to add value by working to come to my country.

Sort of mixed and undefined feelings about this subject as you can probably tell from the above.

[TheJackel]

I know you can't provide evidence, that is my point. Making claims that things are "facts" or people are burying their heads in the ground if they disagree with you when you haven't provided the evidence, is irrational. You continue to ignore what I've said and keep arguing against some imaginary person while pretending that person is me. Secondly you making irrational statements like "We ought to just toss our hands in the air and just hand over the entire United States over to the illegal immigrants, ID's, JOBS, and all.. Under your logic," which is not only not my logic but completely ridiculous. Why don't you address my points instead of these straw mans? I've said this before and I'll probably have to tell you again: I would have no problem if you just said you have no evidence and it's just your speculation about how bad the problem is and stop claiming the things you're saying are facts. That's it. You can keep professing all the bullshit you want, as long as you call it what it is: speculation.

Again, I can't make an illegal immigrant with a fake ID magically crawl out of your damn computer monitor to give you the evidence you seek. People like you really need to be taken on the streets and shown the real world. I have evidence, It's called what I know and see in the REAL WORLD! This isn't something I can fax you kiddo!.. For Pete's sake, I gave sample videos of hundreds if not thousands you can randomly find on youtube or elsewhere. And exactly what evidence do you want presented eh? Seriously, wake the ___k up.. And I know what you have said, and why you have dismissed links ect. However, your dismissal is due to your lack of actual education of wtf is going on in my neighborhood, who's who, who to avoid, what gangs are involved in what activity, where do these people live, what's the demographic of my own neighborhood and the surrounding neighborhoods. What's being discussed at the Town meetings and school boards. Police are usually very talkative about whats going on in your neighborhood if you ask. And the social groups in general are usually self evident after a while.

There's lot's of evidence you could provide if it existed, so in the absence of evidence for your claim let's just call it speculation and you can stop claiming that people that don't align with your point of view are ignoring the "evidence" (which doesn't exist). And once again, discuss what I say and not something you just made up.

Again the evidence I have can't simply be given to you over the internet.. Sorry but that is a fact you are going to have to deal with.. Thus, please prove your own fallacy here that "evidence doesn't exist"... Easy to claim from behind the keyboard and a computer screen.. And yep, you can certainly claim that anything I can provide you over the internet is "made up".. Hence why I conceded that fact that no matter what I post, provide, or show could be dismissed, denied, or simply stated as "made up"... Your argument is like claiming alcoholics can't be proven to kill people in car accidents over the internet because any evidence short of one's self being hit by a drunk driver can be dismissed as made up, staged, or non-empirical. And this is especially true over the internet without going out in the real world to witness it, ask questions, or call what-ever sources you might find to be reputable..

[TheJackel]

The UK is having a lot of issues with people seeking a better life and coming here. It is in a way a great compliment to our country. It's when people are leaving that you need to worry that you're ding something wrong. The USA has masses of space and natural resources, it seems pointless to not accept that the people that have already made it there should not be granted citizenship.

I disagree because I don't care to see those spaces or resources vanish! You do realize America has and needs what little wild refuges there are left for I donno, the natural wild life! America is not a Land that should entirely be paved over because billions of people who might want to immigrate here legally, or illegally!.. Personally, 250+ million people already feels way over crowded.. America would become one massive polluted mess if it's population were to double..  People just expect us to tear up more land and make room for them?.. No, fix your own problems at home if you can't get here legally, or get an asylum..  Hence, have you ever been to Arizona and Texas?  Outside the city limits is like one highway junkyard and trash can after another.. Especially around the outskirts of Sun City Arizona where my Grand Father lives near the Air Force Base out there.

Let's face it many of them have risked their lives to get there. If one is born in a country what commitment have they made to that country? Bugger all really, until they are adults. Would one deport a person born in the USA because they were lazy? Of course not.

A free ride of taxpayers, free education, jobs, and a new life generally give people incentives to do such a thing.. Many families along the boarder in Mexico are drug subcultures, or crime oriented to make a living without any regard to those who they poison with their drugs.. They risk their lives too, for a better life.. But does that make what they do ok? NO it doesn't

We've had a lot of Polish immigration over the last few years and they have put many Brits to shame with their attitude to hard work (Bring it on!). While my emotional investment is in my identification as British it really shouldn't be. Logically I should encourage anybody who wishes to add value by working to come to my country.

I've seen the opposite be true here as well as visa versa.. Work ethics are not what the problem is.

Sort of mixed and undefined feelings about this subject as you can probably tell from the above.

They only need to fix the problem, and it matters to me not if they make them all citizens and make them pull their own weight or if they deport them.. One thing is for sure though, everyone must answer to the crimes they did commit, pay for what they cost the taxpayers, and pay for any damage they cause to anyone's Identities to which they may have ruined.. Accountability, and responsibility!  Lastly, they would definitely need to take away any possible illegal alien loop hole out of the system so they stop coming here illegally.

You ask for peoples help, you don't assume it and take it regardless of your position..

[pinkocommie]

I was going to respond to the part of your last post where you said "America isn't a refugee camp" but I see you've edited that bit out.

[TheJackel]

I was going to respond to the part of your last post where you said "America isn't a refugee camp" but I see you've edited that bit out.

I edited it out because it's late and it didn't make sense considering illegals aren't displaced people.