What do atheists claim to know nothing about?

[PipeBox]

I don't think any court can abrogate the constitution of Texas.  It probably must be amended through the congress.  I am not a lawyer, though.

Now, hopefully the congress would have the presence of mind to handle that amendment on their own.  What grounds could there be to object to the amendment?  You can't expect paragons of theocracy to get away with saying they believe atheists shouldn't be able to hold a public office, not in today's time.  It resonates to strongly of bigotry.  Now, not voting for atheists is a completely different matter.  Thankfully, the public impression of us is subject to education.  If we keep talking, people will come to realize that we can and do hold some things inviolable.

[Yrreg]

by PipeBox » Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:51 am

I don't think any court can abrogate the constitution of Texas. It probably must be amended through the congress. I am not a lawyer, though.

Now, hopefully the congress would have the presence of mind to handle that amendment on their own. What grounds could there be to object to the amendment? You can't expect paragons of theocracy to get away with saying they believe atheists shouldn't be able to hold a public office, not in today's time. It resonates to strongly of bigotry. Now, not voting for atheists is a completely different matter. Thankfully, the public impression of us is subject to education. If we keep talking, people will come to realize that we can and do hold some things inviolable.

Now, not voting for atheists is a completely different matter. Thankfully, the public impression of us is subject to education. If we keep talking, people will come to realize that we can and do hold some things inviolable. -- Pipebox

Yes, education is good for theists and for everybody whatever: theists, atheists, specially of course unreasonable people of whatever system of unthinking.

Educating theists from the part of atheists will not be easy or even possible if atheists keep calling the God of theists Who is to them (theists) their Father in heaven a celestial teapot, a leprechaun, a flying spaghetti monster, a pink invisible unicorn, and keep telling theists that their (theists') thoughts are superstitions and their words are magic.



Yrreg

[curiosityandthecat]

Yes, education is good for theists and for everybody whatever: theists, atheists, specially of course unreasonable people of whatever system of unthinking.

Educating theists from the part of atheists will not be easy or even possible if atheists keep calling the God of theists Who is to them (theists) their Father in heaven a celestial teapot, a leprechaun, a flying spaghetti monster, a pink invisible unicorn, and keep telling theists that their (theists') thoughts are superstitions and their words are magic.



Yrreg

“It is a well-established fact that education, even Christian education, secularizes.” - Sociologist James Hunter

Atheism is picking up steam, and, ironically, it's capitalism, the bread-and-butter of the right-wing Republichristian camp, that's helping it happen. Postmodernism, which has been called the "cultural outer husk of capitalism", is a breeding-ground for apostasy, centers of education doubly-so. God is a celestial teapot, a flying spaghetti monster, a pink invisible unicorn, their thoughts are superstitious and their words are magical. People are just beginning to feel comfortable stating those facts without fear of reproach or violence (though it does still happen--death threats to atheists are common, as Whitney has pointed out).

Religious conviction is comforting and silly, Yrreg. Nothing more.

[Yrreg]

Well, that is your opinion.


But have you done any serious observation of how atheists had won control over half of mankind by taking over whole nations, but quickly in terms of historical time lost away the same half of mankind, by exerting all the powers of the state to suppress God and believers in God?


Would you like to take over the USA and govern it according to your atheist heart and mind, and will you last long, how long if ever you should succeed?


No, I am not an American, but I keep informed of events in the USA.





Yrreg

[Yrreg]

Resuming my concern with the issue, "What do atheists claim to know nothing about?"

In regard to my inquiry whether you can understand my idea of the whole totality of existence including the physical universe, which is made by God, and He also put on it to keep it operating properly a scheme of intelligent order to prevail over it?




Yrreg

[jbeukema]

In regard to my inquiry whether you can understand my idea of the whole totality of existence including the physical universe, which is made by God,

Demonstrate

and He also put on it to keep it operating properly a scheme of intelligent order to prevail over it?

WTF?! Just because you string words together doesn't mean you've made a sentence....

[skurry]

Resuming my concern with the issue, "What do atheists claim to know nothing about?"

In regard to my inquiry whether you can understand my idea of the whole totality of existence including the physical universe, which is made by God, and He also put on it to keep it operating properly a scheme of intelligent order to prevail over it?

Yrreg

Can you understand the pagan view of how the world works? Can you understand the scientology view? Yes, I can read science fiction or mythology and understand what idea it is attempting to explain, but that does not mean I will believe in volcano ghosts, winds gods, or a telepathic god. I group your idea of god in with all the other hundreds of imaginary gods. That does not mean I am a bad person, that I do bad things, or that I wish to harm you or those who follow your belief system.

You aren't going to win any converts and your arguments lack evidence. You are wasting your time.

I think we have answered you a hundred times about what atheist claim to know, and that is NOTHING!!! Atheists don't have answers to the creation of the universe. Atheists just think god is implausible. Scientist have theories about the creation of the universe. Ask them

[Yrreg]

I am not after winning any convert to any religion.

I just want to ask questions of atheists to learn how they think.


Okay, you don't want God to be mentioned.

What about a higher power?




I understand that many peoples don't accept God but they accept a higher power.




Yrreg

[Miss Anthrope]

Yrreg, just curious, what is your nationality? Or more specifically, what is your native language?

[templeboy]

Hey, lets not resort to calling Yrreg a troll. Sure, some of his posts seem a little incoherent, but he is trying to be reasonable, to give us another perspective. Just because someone disagrees with us, or just because they don't have a fully coherent argument, that doesn't make them a troll. We should be welcoming theists who come asking polite if naive questions. After all, preaching to the converted is boring...

[curiosityandthecat]

Hey, lets not resort to calling Yrreg a troll. Sure, some of his posts seem a little incoherent, but he is trying to be reasonable, to give us another perspective. Just because someone disagrees with us, or just because they don't have a fully coherent argument, that doesn't make them a troll. We should be welcoming theists who come asking polite if naive questions. After all, preaching to the converted is boring...

It's not just that there's no coherent argument, there's no discourse whatsoever.  

[skurry]

Hey, lets not resort to calling Yrreg a troll. Sure, some of his posts seem a little incoherent, but he is trying to be reasonable, to give us another perspective. Just because someone disagrees with us, or just because they don't have a fully coherent argument, that doesn't make them a troll. We should be welcoming theists who come asking polite if naive questions. After all, preaching to the converted is boring...

It's not just that there's no coherent argument, there's no discourse whatsoever.  

His arguments are circular and he's asking unanswerable questions without acknowledgment of stated points and empathy of views.

[Karras]

I'm not sure I dare get involved in this but oh well, I've hit the submit button so too late to back out now. Wheeeeee!!!!!!  :hmm:

[Yrreg]

I am an ethnic Chinese but of Philippine nationality.

My mother tongue is Chinese but I know the Philippine language and the English language.

Thanks for not being serious about calling me a troll; didn't I mention earlier that in the erstwhile Internet Infidels Discussion Board and I believe it is still binding, calling someone a troll is a grave offense, or calling him something equivalent.

If you don't believe me, then look up troll in the Free Speech and Rationalism Board something like that which is the renamed forum of the erstwhile Internet Infidels Discussion Board.

And find out why they don't allow anyone to call anyone else a troll or its equivalent.

If you think that my English is incoherent, then I sympathize with you.

Do you want me banned for being a troll, a preacher, and also for incoherency of language, and above all for lacking all arguments?

I suggest you consult an expert in English coherency to get an expert's opinion of my kind of English.

And a logician for my kind or arguments or exposition of ideas and presentation of questions.

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Okay, tell me what do you know about the concept which I have already presented to you here:

The whole totality of existence which includes the physical universe.

As with the beginning of the physical universe, perhaps you want to claim you know nothing about it and will not be interested in knowing anything about it?

You are allergic to the concept? Or immune?

By the way, atheists insist that they cannot hate God because they cannot hate something or someone or God which for them do not exist.

What does psychology of human emotions say about that?

You are troubled by the existence of evil, like the physical evil of a person losing his arm for no fault of his own, which for you proves hat there is no God.

Ask a logician if that is any proof at all for the non-existence of God, but first tell him what is your concept of God.




Yrreg

[Karras]

I suggest you consult an expert in English coherency to get an expert's opinion of my kind of English.

I really don't think that will be necessary.

OK, I'm still in the maze. Is there cheese? I like cheese.

As with the beginning of the physical universe, perhaps you want to claim you know nothing about it and will not be interested in knowing anything about it?

Very much interested, thank you.

You are allergic to the concept? Or immune?

Neither. See above.

By the way, atheists insist that they cannot hate God because they cannot hate something or someone or God which for them do not exist.

What does psychology of human emotions say about that?

Don't know, don't especially care.

You are troubled by the existence of evil, like the physical evil of a person losing his arm for no fault of his own, which for you proves hat there is no God.

That's not evil, that's an accident. Nor does evil disprove God, it just suggests that any god that does exist might not be as much of a nice guy as his public relations department would have us believe.

I'll tell you what, you give us a working definition of "evil" and I'll tell you how I feel about it. I would not personally count anything like disease, natural disasters or that sort of unguided event.

Ask a logician if that is any proof at all for the non-existence of God, but first tell him what is your concept of God.

What does a "logician" have to do with this? I'm not going to invent concepts of God to debunk. You tell me what yours is and I'll comment.

Can I have cheese now? Squeek squeek.