Athiesm and sex

[curiosityandthecat]

Out of curiosity, if you think sexual relations are okay in marriage why would it be any more harmful for one to masturbate as often as the married individual has sex? It's craziness.

Is this craziness? Nah...

Is it madness? No...

[jcm]

It's like eating then? It's basically healthy, but eating too much is bad for you.

Maybe, I'm not sure from the Medical point of view

wtf is with you? too much is bad for you. how can you argue against that?

it is all about knowing your limits and your needs.

if you can not see your feet, you are eating too much
if your torso looks like a xylophone try eating more hamburgers
if you kick your dog, try some alone time
if it fell off, you did it too much

[Kylyssa]

Out of curiosity, if you think sexual relations are okay in marriage why would it be any more harmful for one to masturbate as often as the married individual has sex? It's craziness.

Because he's a fundie and believes masturbation is a sin, onanism.

[Whitney]

Marriage does not have to be a life long commitment
If they don't have children, they can decide at later age, if they want to continue or not
Plus you assume here that Adultery is ok

What!?  I would thnk that someone who believes in the Bible would be the most likely to say marriage should be a life long commitment.  

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/adultery

a·dul·ter·y (-dlt-r, -tr)
n. pl. a·dul·ter·ies
Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a partner other than the lawful spouse.

You are the one assuming that adultry is okay by saying the marriage can be ended (according to your bible marriage is for life so you can't end it and be with another person).  I am defending the importance of marital commitments by saying marriage shouldn't be entered into lightly.

Who talked about forcing them! they have the choice
People are ready to make sex from 10 years old!

You are only willing to give them a choice between not have any sex or get married.  Obviously you are going to be forcing them to do something they'd rather not do.  I might add that trying to force teens to do anything has proven to be very unsuccessful...that's why we have so many teen mothers.

Some 10 year olds might be "ready" (in the sense that they can manage to do it) but they aren't mentally ready.  Females aren't physically ready at that age to have kids either...they can have them, it's just really hard on their bodies.  I don't think I even liked boys yet when I was 10...they were icky and had cooties.

Masturbating is not healthy mentally and physically

You really need to quit believing everything your mom told you when you were little.

Here are the study on benefits of masturbation,

1) Research has shown that masturbation may protect against cancer of the prostate. The more a man ejaculates between the ages of 20 and 50, the less likely he was to develop cancer of the prostate.

2) It can help with people that have insomnia, helping their bodies to relax after wards

3) It can help to stimulate the immune system to help build up resistance to common infections.

4) It can relieve intensive stress

According to BBC Health News, in an Australian Research, out of 2,250 respondents, who had developed prostrate cancer and had not about their sexual habit, found - out that those who had ejaculated the most between the ages of 20 and 50 were the least likely to develop the cancer.

Who masterbate?
The consensus of those doing a statistical analysis of who masturbates is that around 90% of the total male population and 65% of the total female population masturbate from time to time.

Sue Johanson, sex educator and counselor, 2000: “99 percent of men of all ages masturbate regularly and the other one percent are liars.”Source: Salon.com Cory Silverberg

- http://thehealth2u.com/health-benefits-of-masterbation  (emphasis mine)

[SSY]

Because people will start to want and feel sex at very young age 10-14
So any legal system that forbids it, will not work

On those grounds we should legalise murder and rape as well, because people ignore those rules?

Irrelevant
As sex is an agreed desire, we should make a way for them to satisfy it (i.e. marriage)
Plus
There is no punishment for under-age people who make sex, so it is very contradicting situation

Which one do you prefer
Your 14 years daughter to sleep with her boyfriend and get pregnant
or to allow her to marry (with some extra conditions)

Your question at the end is puzzling, if my daughter is pregnant, how will marrying someone help anything? At all? What conditions are you talking about?

Edit, also, I read that link you posted, it was the funniest thing I have read all week, if that was your idea of scientifically verifying something, no wonder you don't understand evolution . The guy who claimed to be stupid and impotent, then blamed it all on masturbation was my favorite, sort of like someone losing their hair and then blaming it on getting a job, " I was fine before getting a job!"

[Kylyssa]

Edit, also, I read that link you posted, it was the funniest thing I have read all week, if that was your idea of scientifically verifying something, no wonder you don't understand evolution . The guy who claimed to be stupid and impotent, then blamed it all on masturbation was my favorite, sort of like someone losing their hair and then blaming it on getting a job, " I was fine before getting a job!"

Yeah, that entry was the one that made me "absolutely bark with laughter" as my partner put it.

[Messenger]

Your question at the end is puzzling, if my daughter is pregnant, how will marrying someone help anything? At all? What conditions are you talking about?

Which is better, to marry your girl to someone you agree on, so you can make sure about many things financial, social, etc.
Or to let her by her own, where she may get diseases, pregnant and no care about the child, etc.

[Messenger]

You are the one assuming that adultry is okay by saying the marriage can be ended (according to your bible marriage is for life so you can't end it and be with another person).  I am defending the importance of marital commitments by saying marriage shouldn't be entered into lightly.

Not every thing in the Bible is true
Marriage can subject to many issues, and if they became old and decide to separate, it is their decision

You are only willing to give them a choice between not have any sex or get married.  Obviously you are going to be forcing them to do something they'd rather not do.  I might add that trying to force teens to do anything has proven to be very unsuccessful...that's why we have so many teen mothers.

Yes, because usually children from unmarried couples experience bad life

Some 10 year olds might be "ready" (in the sense that they can manage to do it) but they aren't mentally ready.  Females aren't physically ready at that age to have kids either...they can have them, it's just really hard on their bodies.  I don't think I even liked boys yet when I was 10...they were icky and had cooties.

So a controlled sex (by marriage approved by parents) is better than uncontrolled one

[curiosityandthecat]

Not every thing in the Bible is true

That made me smile. Thank you.

Yes, because usually children from unmarried couples experience bad life

That statement is so irretrievably, mind-numblingly ridiculous that I'm really hoping your troll-meter went off the scale on that one. Wow.

So a controlled sex (by marriage approved by parents) is better than uncontrolled one

And another one. Wow. "Controlled sex" /= "marriage approved by parents". Sorry. Parents should not control the sex lives on their children; they should educate them and prepare them to make good decisions, offering counseling and advice when needed.

Just, wow, man. Aren't you getting bored here, yet? Don't you think the AFI forum could use a little bit of the blessing you've brought here?  

[karadan]

After a rather quiet afternoon in the office, i've read this entire thread and have found myself laughing more than i have in the past few weeks combined. If fundies are good for anything, it is the simplicity of incredulous laughter.

[Squid]

Yes, because usually children from unmarried couples experience bad life

Children need caring, loving, nurturing parents - whether or not those people are legally married has nothing to do with the experiences the child has.  Love is not contingent upon a piece of paper stating two people are legally bound to each other.  To attempt to link the variables together that you have is just plain silly.  I would challenge you to produce evidence supporting this contention.

[SSY]

Your question at the end is puzzling, if my daughter is pregnant, how will marrying someone help anything? At all? What conditions are you talking about?

Which is better, to marry your girl to someone you agree on, so you can make sure about many things financial, social, etc.
Or to let her by her own, where she may get diseases, pregnant and no care about the child, etc.

You make so little sense. You can't just conjure up two insane choices and then expect people to choose one or the other. Real people have the ability to decide what is best from a wide range of options.

[Messenger]

Your question at the end is puzzling, if my daughter is pregnant, how will marrying someone help anything? At all? What conditions are you talking about?

Which is better, to marry your girl to someone you agree on, so you can make sure about many things financial, social, etc.
Or to let her by her own, where she may get diseases, pregnant and no care about the child, etc.

You make so little sense. You can't just conjure up two insane choices and then expect people to choose one or the other. Real people have the ability to decide what is best from a wide range of options.

What are the other options?

[Kylyssa]

What are the other options?

Why, of course, the options everyone listed here such as educating your children about sex, building their self-esteem, loving them and supporting them through their triumphs and their hard times, teaching them to enjoy their bodies safely through masturbation and safer sex education, and giving them the information to make good decisions.  Try talking to your children and developing a good relationship with them, placing them first in your life rather than God.  These things work marvelously in the families and countries that use them.

[LegendarySandwich]

I know I'm bringing a really old thread back to life with this post, but I have a question for my fellow atheists: why is incest wrong if it doesn't include or lead to kids? Say, for example, two sisters in their thirties started having sex together -- why is this a bad thing, in a logical perspective? The reason I'm asking this is because, after reading the entire thread, the only two arguments against incest I've seen are that it leads to bad genes and that it has a harming psychological effect on children.