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Started by zorkan, July 14, 2024, 06:05:57 PM

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Dark Lightning

 I'm not on board with waiting that long to retire, either. I worked for 45 years and managed to retire at age 62, almost 10 years ago. Though I do feel a trifle embarrassed that I may live for 30 years after my retirement date.  :hahaha...no:

zorkan

#16
Quote from: Old Seer on August 07, 2024, 03:34:52 PMExtending living to 150 years would crash the existing systems we're under presently. Over population would increase. Puberty would have to (somehow) be extended to age 45 - 55 in order to curb birthrates. It may be be necessary to readjust all civil systems. :)
Yet since 1950 fertility rate has halved.
Seems logical if average lifespan gets to 150 you can't retire until you are over 120.
There is always a price to be paid.

Until telomerase injections are available you could go and live in a blue zone where people live the longest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_zone#:~:text=A%20blue%20zone%20is%20a,diet%2C%20and%20low%20disease%20incidence.

You could also try the Jeanne Calment method to life beyond 120.
She lived into her 123rd orbit of the sun by not doing a day's work in her life.
She drank, smoked and ate a kilo of chocolate a week.
She took fairly modest exercise like cycling and roller skating.
She is credited with being the verified oldest person to have lived.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment



Old Seer

Genetics also has much to do with ones longevity. People that are naturally more content and accept fates/loses tend to live longer than those in the more hyper/fast lanes of life and erratic temperament. The fast lanes are more prone to disease and shorter life spans. Also, eating to much causes higher disease and shorter life span. Early retirement with moderate exercise and diet increases life span.   
The only thing possible the world needs saving from are the ones running it.
Oh lord, save us from those wanting to save us.
I'm not a Theist.

zorkan

Any number of sources on this topic. Here's just one.
"The study of longevity genes is a developing science. It is estimated that about 25 percent of the variation in human life span is determined by genetics, but which genes, and how they contribute to longevity, are not well understood."

There are so many studies taking place right now into why some people have longer or shorter lives.
But what exactly is a gene?
All a gene seems to do is encode a protein.
Longevity may have more to do with the mitochondria than the gene.
It might also have something to do with what lies between the cells and how effective the body is in clearing out the mess.
Each cell has 2 metres of DNA. You stretch to the moon and back.





Asmodean

Quote from: Dark Lightning on August 07, 2024, 11:44:35 PMI'm not on board with waiting that long to retire, either. I worked for 45 years and managed to retire at age 62, almost 10 years ago. Though I do feel a trifle embarrassed that I may live for 30 years after my retirement date.  :hahaha...no:
And why shouldn't as much of your life be fully yours to enjoy as possible? The Asmo, for one, fully approves of you living for decades past retirement. :smilenod:

(Obviously, there are logistical and economic challenges, but as the general principle of the matter)
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

zorkan

Avenge yourself by living long enough to become a problem to your children.
Here's a few tips.

Cut down the calories.
Get plenty of rest and sleep.
Don't work beyond the age of 55.
Treat work like a spectator sport.
Treat life as if it's one long holiday.
Do yoga once a week and qigong for a few minutes a day.
Do the Tibetan Rites and the sitting-rising test once a week.
Then put your feet up and just relax.

Asmodean

Nah. I'll trust fairly good family history of longevity to keep me a-tickin'.

While some healthy lifestyle choices may help along, the specific above tips would largely prove to be rather on the counterproductive or ineffective side to someone like my sweet, sweet self, though I could probably benefit from a less junky diet.

I do see what you are trying to say, but with regard to longevity, "all" advice beyond "stay active and healthy" is or has the potential of being wishful-thinking-snake-oil. In your particular case, the majority depends on actually knowing the person you are advising, and can as such be worse than "just snake oil" if you do not. It may equally well be that "eat more, get out of bed and don't be a lazy couch vegetable" would better apply to a random reader.

...Imagine advising an anorexic person to cut their calories. They'll die agreeing with you.

So, the very best tip may just be "don't listen to tips."  ;)
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Dark Lightning

Quote from: Asmodean on August 09, 2024, 07:20:27 AM
Quote from: Dark Lightning on August 07, 2024, 11:44:35 PMI'm not on board with waiting that long to retire, either. I worked for 45 years and managed to retire at age 62, almost 10 years ago. Though I do feel a trifle embarrassed that I may live for 30 years after my retirement date.  :hahaha...no:
And why shouldn't as much of your life be fully yours to enjoy as possible? The Asmo, for one, fully approves of you living for decades past retirement. :smilenod:

(Obviously, there are logistical and economic challenges, but as the general principle of the matter)
Why, thank you, kind sir! I'm enjoying most of it. Though I will admit that pushing that boulder up the hill for so many years has left me with remnants of a work ethic.

zorkan

The human place in the cosmos means that we're fixed to a planet where all life forms are doomed.
With that thought in mind it's no wonder religions promise eternal life elsewhere.

For people who don't buy into that there are longevity experts who are trying to help your brief existence be a healthier and longer one.
 
There are also remedies like statin and blood pills and medical science is better than any time in history.
I'm not sure why you would not want to take up the offer.




The Magic Pudding..

Quote from: zorkan on August 10, 2024, 11:57:21 AMI'm not sure why you would not want to take up the offer.

There's pain and loss of function.
And then there's the acquisitive medical profession, I begrudge giving them anything.
We did have a member who spent everything he had for his last months of pain, I'd rather my wife/children have my $.
If you suffer from cosmic vertigo, don't look.

zorkan

I dread the pain and hope it's brief, but I'll try the painkillers.
I like yoga because it enables my body to feel pain and I'd argue that's how it works.
I agree that you should leave behind money and assets for the next generation.

Icarus

Quote from: zorkan on August 10, 2024, 01:17:41 PMI agree that you should leave behind money and assets for the next generation.

You housed and fed and nurtured your progeny through many years. For many of us we paid for their college tuition, bought them cars, gave them spending money, attended their wedding and other occasions on their behalf, and more.

Do you actually believe that somehow you are obligated to leave them more wealth or property?

Asmodean

Quote from: Dark Lightning on August 09, 2024, 03:19:04 PMThough I will admit that pushing that boulder up the hill for so many years has left me with remnants of a work ethic.
Yeah, that very boulder gave me arthrosis in a painful place, but hwy complain about ships long sailed, amiright? :smilenod:
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

zorkan

#28
Quote from: Icarus on August 11, 2024, 03:29:37 AMDo you actually believe that somehow you are obligated to leave them more wealth or property?
Maybe my conscience gets the better.
If you think they will probably squander the wealth, give it to charity.

I'm looking at a few books on longevity, which I'll give an opinion.
#1.
https://andrewsteele.co.uk/ageless/
He does make reference to the 2nd law of thermodynamics, and he gets it wrong.
But don't they all?

#2.
https://instaread.co/insights/health-fitness/the-telomere-effect-book/tpt1chtnmd
I'd like better information on how doing qigong actually works to promote production of telomerase.
The authors were supposed to provide examples,  but I can't find any.

#3.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Age-Proof-Science-Living-Healthier/dp/1788705041
Again, no evidence provided as to how ideas presented in the chapters actually work.

#4.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Outlive-Science-Longevity-Peter-Attia/dp/1785044540
Plenty of information from a surgeon but lacking in detail.

#5
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifespan:_Why_We_Age_%E2%80%93_and_Why_We_Don%27t_Have_To
I have plenty of doubt about this one and a suspicion that the author is trying to advertise a product.
Stand in the cold to promote longevity genes is more likely to leave you with an infection.