Windows 10, The Continuing Adventure

[Recusant]

You really are a dick!

Keke

Come on, man. I know you can do better. Name-calling directed at fellow members doesn't do you justice, and is really against the ethos of this site. Please desist from engaging in this sort of posting. I think you can make valuable contributions to this site, and I'd really like you to stick around, but if you continue along these lines, you will get an official warning.*

* Rule Enforcement Process

[Firebird]

Keke shouldn't have called Davin a dick. Not arguing with that.
But Davin, you really have no awareness of how you come off. You don't need to be so damn arrogant to make your point. State it and be done without being passive-aggressive. Or at least try.

[Recusant]

Just for the record, neither Davin nor anybody else reported the post referred to above. What we have here is another example of the infamous over-moderation that HAF suffers from. 

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[Magdalena]

Just for the record, neither Davin nor anybody else reported the post referred to above. What we have here is another example of the infamous over-moderation that HAF suffers from. 

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...OK, let's continue...
Where were we?
Ah! Yes...

"[Davin]...State it and be done without being passive-aggressive. Or at least try."

Continue......

[Steeler]

Just for the record, neither Davin nor anybody else reported the post referred to above. What we have here is another example of the infamous over-moderation that HAF suffers from. 

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...OK, let's continue...
Where were we?
Ah! Yes...

"[Davin]...State it and be done without being passive-aggressive. Or at least try."

Continue......

I like your style Mags. Watch out Recusant, you might not be needed around here anymore if she keeps this up.

[Steeler]

Keke shouldn't have called Davin a dick. Not arguing with that.
But Davin, you really have no awareness of how you come off. You don't need to be so damn arrogant to make your point. State it and be done without being passive-aggressive. Or at least try.

Not trying to be a pile-on, but where's the like button!

[Magdalena]

Thanks, Steeler. 
However....
Everyone has "tolerated" my style, and it's just a matter of time...Believe me...

[Kekerusey]

There is no need for name calling. I don't mind if you do, you won't be able to hurt my feelings, but it is against the rules here. Also, think before you post, so that you don't keep perpetuating misinformation or breaking forum rules.

No misinformation but I apologise for the name calling.

Keke

[Davin]

Keke shouldn't have called Davin a dick. Not arguing with that.
But Davin, you really have no awareness of how you come off. You don't need to be so damn arrogant to make your point. State it and be done without being passive-aggressive. Or at least try.

I started off just asking a few questions that should have been super easy for a technical person to answer, and all I did was respond in kind. When I see someone treat another person a certain way, I consider that a tacit agreement that is how they want to be treated.

I really don't understand the arrogant bullshit though, I commonly admit to my ignorance on many a topic, I don't think I am all that important, and I don't think my abilities to be more or less than others. I do have some knowledge and skills, just like everyone else, and occasionally I know more about something than other people. That's not arrogance, that's just normal shit that happens. The arrogance would more accurately be applied to the other person who acted like they knew something, never accepted that they were wrong in light of it being demonstrated, and continued to be wrong while trying to put out a authoritarian air of being a "technical person."

I directly confront, which is the polar opposite of passive aggressive.

So I have read your statements, and I tried to apply it to me but found it to be entirely useless and misapplied.

[Davin]

[...]I apologise for the name calling.

Don't worry about it, your apology is meaningless and worth nothing. As you have not offended me in the slightest, there is no use for an apology.

[Firebird]

I directly confront, which is the polar opposite of passive aggressive.

Sure Davin. As opposed to when you say shit like this:

Don't worry about it, your apology is meaningless and worth nothing.

You are constantly passive-aggressive, and it's obnoxious and gets on a lot of people's nerves. I know you don't really give a crap about what other people say about you, but when Claire was posting her concerns about the forum and attracting new members, a couple of people spoke up about how intimidated they felt as new people. So when you act this way towards new members like Kekerusey, it reminds me of why people might feel that way.

So please, try to control yourself, if not for your sake, for the sake of the forum so we don't scare people off.

[Magdalena]

You are constantly passive-aggressive, and it's obnoxious and gets on a lot of people's nerves...

*Ahem*
I would just like to say that this has not been my experience with Davin.

The only thing I've noticed is that when he asks a question, he expects an answer, just like all us. When he doesn't get one, he presses for one, just like any of us would. When people feel "cornered" they turn the whole thing around and attack him. I'm sure a lot of us have also done that at one time or another in that situation.

~That's all.

[Davin]

I directly confront, which is the polar opposite of passive aggressive.

Sure Davin. As opposed to when you say shit like this:

Don't worry about it, your apology is meaningless and worth nothing.

You are constantly passive-aggressive, and it's obnoxious and gets on a lot of people's nerves.

Bullshit. That is not passive aggressive, that is just how it is. It is clear and direct. Since no offense was taken on my side, there is no need for an apology. I mean, what worth is an apology in this case where no offense was taken?

I know you don't really give a crap about what other people say about you, but when Claire was posting her concerns about the forum and attracting new members, a couple of people spoke up about how intimidated they felt as new people. So when you act this way towards new members like Kekerusey, it reminds me of why people might feel that way.

Look at my first response to this person, you tell me what was intimidating about that. Then look how they responded to my questions. If they don't start none, there won't be none. I prefer conversations that remain polite and useful, but I also tend to respond in kind.

So please, try to control yourself, if not for your sake, for the sake of the forum so we don't scare people off.

I doubt that the person would admit to being intimidated by me. I mean, the person will not admit to being wrong, so what is intimidating, in their view, from a person who is saying things that are not correct? I would be further surprised that the person would publicly admit to being scared of me. that would admit to a weakness, something I doubt that they would be willing to do. So in absence of evidence to support your claims (and I will not be submitting to your clearly psychic abilities), I don't find this useful at all.

Edit: my first reply to the person:

Practically everyone I know who try Linux end up hating Windows.

I think that kind of thing depends on your social circle ... my friends are pretty much the opposite (IT engineers all of us, Windows users and a bit "meh" about Linux).

I tried Linux, long time ago, for six months and eventually ran back to Windows because I wanted to actually do things.

That's odd that you weren't able to do things. I am able to do everything in Linux that I can in Windows. Many things are nicer in Linux, a few things are not as good as windows, but overall, it's better. I don't hate Windows, I have to use it for my current job, but I could do all the same things in Linux that I do for work and that includes the C# development, though I would still have to test on Windows machines since that is the target platform for the company.

Recently I had to make a feed for a camera available to remote computer, and I made one real quick in Linux which was way easier than when I had to make it again a day later when they told me it had to run on a Windows machine.

[Kekerusey]

Davin,

Apologies are one of those things people do to make things better. It doesn't really matter if you took offence or not, the POLITE thing to do would have been to accept my apology and move on. As it stands there is now clearly something between you and "this person" (your turn of phrase) ... clearly you are not as ambivalent to me as you would like people to believe. So, whether you were passive-aggressive as Firebird suggests or were not, that last has (undoubtedly IMO) made things worse.

With respect to my posts I repeat that at no point did make a solid claim that Windows was better than Linux. I always used phrases like "as far as I am concerned", "better for the things I want to do" meaning that all of them, in context or directly stated, were clearly my opinion and, regardless of your own opinion, something I am entitled to. Using those as your claim that I definitively stated "Windows was better" was effectively a lie on your part and it was that that led directly to my insult, the apology for which you subsequently rejected.

I am currently a man of leisure and doing some online Linux training and, whilst Windows remains the preferred OS for me (and many others), for the record I do not believe Linux to be a bad OS. Indeed, in some ways I feel it embodies the ideals of computing now far more than Windows does, effectively "real computing". Despite that it is, for me (a brain-damaged Windows tech), extremely hard to get my head around its complexities and I have few doubts I will always prefer Windows to Linux. Things change though.

Keke

[Firebird]

I directly confront, which is the polar opposite of passive aggressive.

Sure Davin. As opposed to when you say shit like this:

Don't worry about it, your apology is meaningless and worth nothing.

You are constantly passive-aggressive, and it's obnoxious and gets on a lot of people's nerves.

Bullshit. That is not passive aggressive, that is just how it is. It is clear and direct. Since no offense was taken on my side, there is no need for an apology. I mean, what worth is an apology in this case where no offense was taken?

Imagine someone offers you a gift, and you don't like the gift or don't feel it's necessary. Do you push it back to them and say it's "meaningless and worth nothing"? I hope not. But that's what that sounded like you were doing. It doesn't matter that you didn't feel the apology was necessary, he was offering a showing of respect to you and you just treated it like it was worthless. That's not cool.

I'm not saying it's all your fault that this discussion got hostile, but you have a pattern of doing things like this.