Windows 10, The Continuing Adventure

[Tom62]

The Asmo is almost powerless to resist joining in at this point. 

Please provide us with your inputs, oh Grey One!

[Asmodean]

Ok. I'll try to do a slightly more comprehensive version after work, but to start off, the main thing which I can do in Windows but not in Linux (And we are talking corporate level here) is have  Norwegian team Microsoft behind me when things start going wrong, this is especially relevant for licensing-related issues, sharepoint development and the like. They have excellent consultants and me, I appreciate not having to tell my resources how to do their job.

Things have also been running a lot more smoothly since we migrated from Linux servers to Windows where applicable. We still have a server or two running other operating systems, but... well, those are my least favourite servers, mostly by virtue of crappy service agreements and worse service reps.

[Kekerusey]

I don't understand this at all, what is it in response to?

Have you not heard of sarcasm?

Linux is an operating system that is as good as Windows and OS X. You won't find me saying that one is better or worse than the others (except in jest or when talking about Windows ME). But when a person seriously says that one is better than another (like you did many times), then I'm interested to understand why that is. If you don't want to provide any useful examples (like I did to support why I think Linux is as good as other operating systems), then that is your choice and I have no issue with that.

I have checked and I think you'll find I never once said Windows was definitively better. I said things like "in my opinion" and "as far as I am concerned" ... the sort of things that CLEARLY imply (if not directly state) that I was speaking from a personal point of view.

If you believe I am wrong please feel free to point to any statement I have made in this thread that, in context, shows me stating that Windows IS definitively better than Linux.

Many highly technical people choose Windows, yes, and I doubt they are irrational or stupid. However, many highly technical people choose OS X as well as Linux, so it's not a useful point.

Quite true but I'd be willing to be that more technical people use Windows. That may be because they have no choice but I'd wager it has more to do with other factors such as gaming (there is still a hefty PC gaming community out there)

Since I gained nothing useful from the conversation, I do not win anything.

Do they not have sarcasm in the US?

Keke

[Davin]

I don't understand this at all, what is it in response to?

Have you not heard of sarcasm?

Yep. I would think that even sarcasm as a response would at least addresses something I said. I cannot see how, even with the sarcasm apology, what your statements there have to do with what I said.

Linux is an operating system that is as good as Windows and OS X. You won't find me saying that one is better or worse than the others (except in jest or when talking about Windows ME). But when a person seriously says that one is better than another (like you did many times), then I'm interested to understand why that is. If you don't want to provide any useful examples (like I did to support why I think Linux is as good as other operating systems), then that is your choice and I have no issue with that.

I have checked and I think you'll find I never once said Windows was definitively better. I said things like "in my opinion" and "as far as I am concerned" ... the sort of things that CLEARLY imply (if not directly state) that I was speaking from a personal point of view.

If you believe I am wrong please feel free to point to any statement I have made in this thread that, in context, shows me stating that Windows IS definitively better than Linux.

Sure, here are a few:

Windows is far better for the things I want to do and much easier to do it.

As far as I am concerned, pretty much everything that I run under windows works better than stuff under Linux[...]

As far as I'm concerned Windows just works, works on the latest hardware with the fastest drivers that make full use of the hardware they are written for.

Now, I don't really hold what you said with too much weight, even I have missed a few words that makes it look I meant something more concrete than what I meant. And to be honest, I didn't want to argue, this conversation has been entirely boring and useless. What I wanted, was to know the questions that I asked. I want to know what things you can't do in Linux that you can do in Windows. I wanted to know why you think that Windows is better than Linux even only on a subjective level. I wanted to know specifically what issues you had with Linux, since you tried it out so much and said that you prefer Windows, I would have thought that you could just, you know, say why you say that. But you don't seem capable of saying why you prefer one over the other, and that's fine too, you don't owe anyone anything. You could just say that you don't know why you like Windows over Linux, you just do. That is a good enough answer. But you kept on without saying much at all and nothing beyond vague statements and inaccurate blanket statements.

Many highly technical people choose Windows, yes, and I doubt they are irrational or stupid. However, many highly technical people choose OS X as well as Linux, so it's not a useful point.

Quite true but I'd be willing to be that more technical people use Windows. That may be because they have no choice but I'd wager it has more to do with other factors such as gaming (there is still a hefty PC gaming community out there)

Yeah, I am aware of the PC gaming community, I game under Linux all the time. I suspect that people choosing Windows over Linux has less to do with the quality of the OS and more to do with them just not making a choice. If you're only point here is to appeal to majority, then I don't really care about that. But if you're implying that there must be a reason why, then just come the fuck out with it already.

Since I gained nothing useful from the conversation, I do not win anything.

Do they not have sarcasm in the US?

Yes we do, is "sarcasm" going to be your go to excuse when you don't make any sense and/or just make shit up out of no where?

[Davin]

Ok. I'll try to do a slightly more comprehensive version after work, but to start off, the main thing which I can do in Windows but not in Linux (And we are talking corporate level here) is have  Norwegian team Microsoft behind me when things start going wrong, this is especially relevant for licensing-related issues, sharepoint development and the like. They have excellent consultants and me, I appreciate not having to tell my resources how to do their job.

Things have also been running a lot more smoothly since we migrated from Linux servers to Windows where applicable. We still have a server or two running other operating systems, but... well, those are my least favourite servers, mostly by virtue of crappy service agreements and worse service reps.

I just run my own servers or at work, we run our own servers.

A few years ago I had a problem that even the Windows Support guys couldn't fix. We wanted a cross login to work off of a security cookie. I followed all the documentation to get it to work, and it did on everything except the production servers. And it failed in a massive way, it just locked up the server so that nothing else would work. So I looked into it to make sure I didn't do anything wrong, I couldn't find anything. So I requested calling in Windows Support. We spent months going over it over an over and found no solid solution to the problem. They suggested reinstalling the OS on the servers with no guarantee that it would work after that. Ended up scrapping it for now, hoping it will be resolved by moving our servers to Azure. But that is the only problem we've had here that we couldn't solve. And Windows Support is mostly really good the few times we've needed them.

[Asmodean]

The kind of company I work for... Well, we keep own servers to a minimum. Bad investment for us to buy and maintain them.

[Firebird]

The kind of company I work for... Well, we keep own servers to a minimum. Bad investment for us to buy and maintain them.

What are you using then, a cloud service like AWS?

[Kekerusey]

Sure, here are a few:

Windows is far better for the things I want to do and much easier to do it.

As far as I am concerned, pretty much everything that I run under windows works better than stuff under Linux[...]

As far as I'm concerned Windows just works, works on the latest hardware with the fastest drivers that make full use of the hardware they are written for.

And all are quite clearly personal opinion so all you managed to do was prove your own error. The last one I will go further on because the drivers are written [usually for windows] by the people who built the hardware so, in my opinion, the chances of some guy "in a garage" (sic) writing a better driver are highly unlikely. I believe linux support for newer hardware can be flaky, something borne out by my own experience seeking support for recent hardware in linux support forums.

Anyway, thank you for your time and effort. I think it a shame you didn't approach this more constructively as I am very much the kind of person who will listen to reason but instead you managed to fulfil my every expectation and now I have you tagged as just another Linux evangelist.

And, on that note, I think we're done

Keke

[Magdalena]

Keke, I'm not 100% sure, but I have a feeling that this is not over yet. Davin will be back...Monday.

[Asmodean]

The kind of company I work for... Well, we keep own servers to a minimum. Bad investment for us to buy and maintain them.

What are you using then, a cloud service like AWS?

Soon. For now, we buy capacity as a service from our industrial IT partner.

[Tank]

The unstoppable force meets the immovable object. One can just smell the futility in the air.

[Asmodean]

That, or massive explosions.

[Kekerusey]

Keke, I'm not 100% sure, but I have a feeling that this is not over yet. Davin will be back...Monday.

Yeah, but I don't have to respond ... that means it's a question of whether I can stop myself. Good luck with that me!

Keke

[Steeler]

Keke, I'm not 100% sure, but I have a feeling that this is not over yet. Davin will be back...Monday.

Yeah, but I don't have to respond ... that means it's a question of whether I can stop myself. Good luck with that me!

Keke

He likes to argue, and always must win said argument. But of course that is just my opinion.

[Magdalena]

Keke, I'm not 100% sure, but I have a feeling that this is not over yet. Davin will be back...Monday.

Yeah, but I don't have to respond ... that means it's a question of whether I can stop myself. Good luck with that me!

Keke

He likes to argue, and always must win said argument. But of course that is just my opinion.

Yes, I've always admired Davin's tenacity.