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[Bornagain]

THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS/VERSES COME FROM ONE OF THE LINKS YOU PROVIDED ABOUT BIBLICAL CONTRADICTION. I HAVE ANSWERED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS IN QUOTATIONS UNDER THE QUESTIONS. PLEASE USE AN ORIGINAL TRANSLATION WHEN READING THE BIBLE. DO NOT TRUST THE MORMON BIBLE OR JEHOVAH'S WITNESS BIBLE.




In the beginning" 1:1
When was the universe created?
"It says in the beginning, aka, beginning of measured time, God created the Heavens and the Earth. The earth was without form. Like a floating mass. So there is the universe. The Heavens is the universe."

# "In the beginning" 1:1-2
The Gap Theory

# "Let the earth bring forth grass ... living creatures." 1:11, 1:24
Does the Bible teach evolution?
"Not sure how you got Evolution from this. Let the earth bring forth grass and creatures on it. Not meaning they derived from the earth."

# "Let them be for signs." 1:14
Does the Bible condemn astrology?
"Bible does condemn astrology for "psychic" readings and things like that. The Bible uses stars as a means of tracking time mostly for seasons of sowing and reaping crops."

# "And God made the beast of the earth." 1:25
The Christian Identity and Aryan Nations folks say that "beast of the earth" and "beast of the field" refer to all non-human animals and non-white humans. They consider all people of color to be without a soul and on the same level as animals, such as cattle, fish, and birds.
"Ok you may be talking about Mormons on this one; not Christians. Mormons are not accepted as Christianity. Jesus was a person of color. he was not white nor was He black. He is not on the same plane as animals."

# God gave humans dominion over every other living thing on earth. 1:26
"Yes He did. Keep in mind this is before mankind fell to sin."

# "And God said, Let us make man in our image ... male and female" 1:26-27
Is God both male and female?
"No. The Bible does not say let us create man and woman in our image. Notice He created Adam first. Eve was formed from one of Adam's ribs. Christians do not take this as we look like God physically. The Bible says that God does not have a physical body but rather is a spirit. Our spirit is made the same way as God is."

# "God created man." 1:27
When was Adam created?
"That is the man he created. He was the first and only man at that time. No women yet."


# "Be fruitful and multiply." 1:28
This verse is used to justify Christian opposition to birth control, concern for the environment, and animal rights. The earth was made for humans, and they can do as they damn well please with it.
"Christians do not oppose birth control. Again I believe there are too many Mormons talking in place of Christians. The earth should be protected not abused. It's good stewardship."

# "I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth."
Is it okay to smoke marijuana?
"The Bible says not to do things to harm your body. It also says to obey the laws of your land as long as they are not against God's law. Marijuana is a tricky subject because it is illegal and harmful. It was grown naturally but so was the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil."

# "To tend and keep it"
Some believers claim that this verse requires them to be environmentalists. 2:15
"Not necessarily environmentalists but good stewards. Do I think that everyone should drive big SUVs that get 12 MPG? No. That's wasteful. God is not a God that is frivolous."

# Is polygamy OK? 2:24, 4:19, 16:3, 25:1, 25:6, 26:34, 28:9, 31:17, 32:22
"Poligamy was only used back then to increase the population. God has changed His mind on the issue but it is no longer necessary to increase the numbers. Remember most humans are female. Not enough males to go around."

# In Christian Identity theology, the serpent is a black male ("beast of the field"), possessed by the devil, who seduced Eve. Cain is the child that is born from this union, the evil son of the devil and the first Jew. All Jews are descended from Cain. 3:1
"Where in the world did this come from? Not once have I heard a Christian say that. Please do not consider the Westboro Baptist Church a Christian church. Horrible example."

# "I will put enmity ... between thy seed and her seed." 3:15
The Two Seed Theory
"Enmity between the snake and human. Not different races. Which Bible did all of this come from? Some of the verses are not even accurate. I deleted one about Gen 2:2 and Armageddon? Not even relevant to that actual verse."

# "And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him." 4:15
"Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed." 9:6
Does God approve of capital punishment?
"Yes, yes, and even more yes. As do I."

# "And the LORD set a mark upon Cain." 4:15
The mark of Cain and Racism
"The mark of Cain was on his forehead. Not his overall skin color."

There are NO, count em, NO contradictions in the actual Bible. The Bible has been tailored to fit certain beliefs but if you get a KJV, NIV, or ESV translation, you will find 0 inaccuracies, and 0 contradictions. I can never prove to you that there is a God. He never asked me to prove that. I accept Him by faith. So you can back off of the contradictions argument.

[LegendarySandwich]

THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS/VERSES COME FROM ONE OF THE LINKS YOU PROVIDED ABOUT BIBLICAL CONTRADICTION. I HAVE ANSWERED SOME OF THE QUESTIONS IN QUOTATIONS UNDER THE QUESTIONS. PLEASE USE AN ORIGINAL TRANSLATION WHEN READING THE BIBLE. DO NOT TRUST THE MORMON BIBLE OR JEHOVAH'S WITNESS BIBLE.

The Skeptic's Annotated Bible uses the King James translation. Also, the Book of Mormon is an entirely different Bible altogether.

You seem to have not read the links where it explains the problem in more detail.

And don't forget that the contradictions in your holy book are just one part of our counter-argument. Oh, and: you only addressed a couple of the interpretation problems, you answered the interpretation problems with your own interpretation, and you forgot the contradictions part of the site.

In the beginning" 1:1
When was the universe created?
"It says in the beginning, aka, beginning of measured time, God created the Heavens and the Earth. The earth was without form. Like a floating mass. So there is the universe. The Heavens is the universe."

That doesn't answer anything.

# "Let the earth bring forth grass ... living creatures." 1:11, 1:24
Does the Bible teach evolution?
"Not sure how you got Evolution from this. Let the earth bring forth grass and creatures on it. Not meaning they derived from the earth."

So, they came forth from the Earth, but weren't derived from the Earth? That's kind of confusing...and contradictory.

# "Let them be for signs." 1:14
Does the Bible condemn astrology?
"Bible does condemn astrology for "psychic" readings and things like that. The Bible uses stars as a means of tracking time mostly for seasons of sowing and reaping crops."

You seem to have not read the links where it explains the problem in more detail.

# "And God made the beast of the earth." 1:25
The Christian Identity and Aryan Nations folks say that "beast of the earth" and "beast of the field" refer to all non-human animals and non-white humans. They consider all people of color to be without a soul and on the same level as animals, such as cattle, fish, and birds.
"Ok you may be talking about Mormons on this one; not Christians. Mormons are not accepted as Christianity. Jesus was a person of color. he was not white nor was He black. He is not on the same plane as animals."

Uh, Mormons are Christians. No True Scotsman fallacy.

# God gave humans dominion over every other living thing on earth. 1:26
"Yes He did. Keep in mind this is before mankind fell to sin."

So?

# "And God said, Let us make man in our image ... male and female" 1:26-27
Is God both male and female?
"No. The Bible does not say let us create man and woman in our image. Notice He created Adam first. Eve was formed from one of Adam's ribs. Christians do not take this as we look like God physically. The Bible says that God does not have a physical body but rather is a spirit. Our spirit is made the same way as God is."

Fair enough.

# "God created man." 1:27
When was Adam created?
"That is the man he created. He was the first and only man at that time. No women yet."

You seem to have not read the links where it explains the problem in more detail.

# "Be fruitful and multiply." 1:28
This verse is used to justify Christian opposition to birth control, concern for the environment, and animal rights. The earth was made for humans, and they can do as they damn well please with it.
"Christians do not oppose birth control. Again I believe there are too many Mormons talking in place of Christians. The earth should be protected not abused. It's good stewardship."

Uh, yeah, some Christians do. And once again, Mormons are Christians.

# "I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth."
Is it okay to smoke marijuana?
"The Bible says not to do things to harm your body. It also says to obey the laws of your land as long as they are not against God's law. Marijuana is a tricky subject because it is illegal and harmful. It was grown naturally but so was the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil."

God said not to eat from that darned tree, but he never said not to smoke marijuana, and he said that everything else was for man.

# Is polygamy OK? 2:24, 4:19, 16:3, 25:1, 25:6, 26:34, 28:9, 31:17, 32:22
"Poligamy was only used back then to increase the population. God has changed His mind on the issue but it is no longer necessary to increase the numbers. Remember most humans are female. Not enough males to go around."

I thought God never changes. And, no, most humans are not female.

# In Christian Identity theology, the serpent is a black male ("beast of the field"), possessed by the devil, who seduced Eve. Cain is the child that is born from this union, the evil son of the devil and the first Jew. All Jews are descended from Cain. 3:1
"Where in the world did this come from? Not once have I heard a Christian say that. Please do not consider the Westboro Baptist Church a Christian church. Horrible example."

No True Scotsman fallacy...again.

# "I will put enmity ... between thy seed and her seed." 3:15
The Two Seed Theory
"Enmity between the snake and human. Not different races. Which Bible did all of this come from? Some of the verses are not even accurate. I deleted one about Gen 2:2 and Armageddon? Not even relevant to that actual verse."

This is the King James Bible.

# "And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him." 4:15
"Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed." 9:6
Does God approve of capital punishment?
"Yes, yes, and even more yes. As do I."

I find that a little disturbing.

# "And the LORD set a mark upon Cain." 4:15
The mark of Cain and Racism
"The mark of Cain was on his forehead. Not his overall skin color."

How do you know?

There are NO, count em, NO contradictions in the actual Bible.

Yes, there are.

The Bible has been tailored to fit certain beliefs but if you get a KJV, NIV, or ESV translation, you will find 0 inaccuracies, and 0 contradictions.

Yes, you will.

I can never prove to you that there is a God. He never asked me to prove that. I accept Him by faith.

I accept that the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists by faith.

So you can back off of the contradictions argument.

Wait...are you blatantly telling us that there's no point in arguing with you?

[Sophus]

Most of you posted that the Abrahamic God has been PROVED wrong. How and by whom?

As far as I know, I'm the minority there. I'll respond this more in depth when I get the chance but the gist of it is this: when there are no elephants spotted, or their tracks or dung in Yellowstone Park absence of evidence is evidence of absence. There are no elephants in Yellowstone. There is no God intervening in this universe.

Some of you have said that the very existence of Jesus is in question. I can understand if you want to question His deity but his very existence?

Jesus (actually Yeshua) was a very common name back then. So sure, plenty of Jesus's existed. But the one written about in the gospels have been concluded by numerous historians to be either nonexistent, fictionalized or very very clouded, to say the least.

And lastly you say the Bible is full of contradictions. I have yet to find one. Let's answer these questions first and then we can discuss the others!

I'll start with this one. How did Judas die?  

God said not to eat from that darned tree, but he never said not to smoke marijuana, and he said that everything else was for man.

Hee hee. Did God make a mistake?

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[Recusant]

THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS/VERSES COME FROM ONE OF THE LINKS YOU PROVIDED ABOUT BIBLICAL CONTRADICTION.

Really?  An overabundance of responses to your first post, and you choose to go to a link provided in one of them and answer that instead?

[LegendarySandwich]

THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS/VERSES COME FROM ONE OF THE LINKS YOU PROVIDED ABOUT BIBLICAL CONTRADICTION.

Really?  An overabundance of responses to your first post, and you choose to go to a link provided in one of them and answer that instead?

[Bornagain]

That Biblical fallacy link you gave proves nothing. Take the first one about the number of people the captain of David killed. Chronicles and Samuel are 2 different stories and time periods. They are not like the Gospels in that they are 2 different accounts of the same event. 2 totally different scenarios. Secondly, I cannot stress enough that Mormons are NOT Christians. They try to be but are not accepted by the Christian Community. Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Pentecostal, and a few other denominations are considered Christianity. Mormonism is not considered Christianity because they have 3 or 4 different works of Scripture: Pearl of Great Price, Bible, Book of Mormon, and Doctrines and Covenants. Jehovah's Witnesses are not considered Christian's either because they question the deity and God-hood of Jesus. If you read the Bible, all the way through, you would find that everything is supported by other books of the Bible and nothing is contradictory. Look at all of the prophecies in the Bible. Isaiah prophesied about Jesus' coming. John the Baptist said "There is one coming that is greater than I of whom I am not worthy to unloose his sandals." Look at end time prophecy. Giant storms, frequent earthquakes, wars, and rumor of wars, etc. Katrina-Doesn't get much bigger than that. I don't remember a time when we have had so many earthquakes so close together. Wars and Rumor of Wars- U.S./Terrorism, Korea, Iran, Pakistan, are all involved in a war of some sort or are talking about wars. Also, why do you think the Middle East is in such turmoil? The Bible plainly tells us why. Abraham had 2 sons: Ishmael and Isaac. Isaac was the promised son so the Israelites believe they deserve the land. Ishmael was the first son but he was illegitimate and was not what God had in mind so the Arabs believe they own the land. I will say this. If you choose to believe there is no God, you better be 100% sure. If you die and meet God, what will your answer be?

[Bornagain]

By the way, God didn't say that alcohol is wrong. He didn't say that marijuana is wrong. He said to follow the law of your land, and in this land marijuana is illegal, but He also said not to harm your temple. Therefore I believe excessive alcohol, excessive junk food, tobacco use and all the like are wrong. Just in case you are wondering, I don't tell people not to do something and then go and do it myself. That is hypocritical and that is what gives Christians such a bad name.

[Sophus]

He said to follow the law of your land, and in this land marijuana is illegal

Not if you have a prescription. Anything in excess is harmful but otherwise marijuana is not harmful at all. It can actually have benefits. It's nothing like tobacco or even alcohol.

But why are we talking about this?

[Bornagain]

I also had a typo in the last big post when I said "God has changed His mind about Polygamy." I meant to say that God has NOT changed His mind. It is just no longer necessary.

[Bornagain]

I was just addressing the issue people had with marijuana use. The Bible doesn't speak against it. Marijuana is hard on your lungs therefore harming your body.

[Stevil]

Just in case you are wondering, I don't tell people not to do something and then go and do it myself. That is hypocritical and that is what gives Christians such a bad name.

There are many things that give Christianity a bad name, its followers being hypocritical is only a very minor point.

[Bornagain]

I really just don't understand how something so intricate as the human body could be an accident. Take the brain for example. There is no reason that should work the way it does. The perfect balance with placement and rotation of the earth. Another thing is the theory of evolution. If monkeys evolved, why are there still monkeys that breed monkeys? Wouldn't the species have already phased out?

[Sophus]

I was just addressing the issue people had with marijuana use. The Bible doesn't speak against it. Marijuana is hard on your lungs therefore harming your body.

Well, no, not really. Also, playing football is harmful to your body but I don't see any Christians protesting that. Anyways, I won't pursue this is, it's veering from the original topic.

[Bornagain]

Stevil what else gives us a bad name?

[LegendarySandwich]

That Biblical fallacy link you gave proves nothing.

It's not a list of fallacies, it's a list of contradictions.

Take the first one about the number of people the captain of David killed. Chronicles and Samuel are 2 different stories and time periods. They are not like the Gospels in that they are 2 different accounts of the same event. 2 totally different scenarios.

I can't comment on this, because my Biblical knowledge is weak, but the stories are pretty damn similar.

Secondly, I cannot stress enough that Mormons are NOT Christians.

Are you aware of what a No True Scotsman fallacy is?

They try to be but are not accepted by the Christian Community.

So?

Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Pentecostal, and a few other denominations are considered Christianity.

By who? The majority of people? That's an argumentum ad populum, which is a logical fallacy.

Mormonism is not considered Christianity because they have 3 or 4 different works of Scripture: Pearl of Great Price, Bible, Book of Mormon, and Doctrines and Covenants.

Again: by who, and so?

Jehovah's Witnesses are not considered Christian's either because they question the deity and God-hood of Jesus.

So?

If you read the Bible, all the way through, you would find that everything is supported by other books of the Bible and nothing is contradictory.

That's a blatant lie.

Look at all of the prophecies in the Bible. Isaiah prophesied about Jesus' coming. John the Baptist said "There is one coming that is greater than I of whom I am not worthy to unloose his sandals."

The fact that one part of your book predicts another part of your book proves nothing.

Look at end time prophecy. Giant storms, frequent earthquakes, wars, and rumor of wars, etc.

Wow! The Bible predicts that bad things will happen in the future? How could it ever know that? It must be from God!

I don't remember a time when we have had so many earthquakes so close together.

That's anecdotal evidence, which is considered invalid. Do you have any real evidence that the planet is more dangerous than it ever was before?

Wars and Rumor of Wars- U.S./Terrorism, Korea, Iran, Pakistan, are all involved in a war of some sort or are talking about wars.

We've always had wars and rumors of wars. They are not exclusive to our period of history.

I will say this. If you choose to believe there is no God, you better be 100% sure. If you die and meet God, what will your answer be?

"You dick."

Also, Pacal's wager. What happens if you die and you meet the Flying Spaghetti Monster? What will you say to him then?