Anniversary of 9-11-01

[McQ]

The Discovery Channel (which I like, but take some stories with a grain of salt) just aired two very good specials about September 11, 2001. One "Inside The Twin Towers" was jarring, but accurate and good. The one now finishing up on the Pentagon, wasn't quite as good, but still ok.

Those who can see them, keep an eye out for them to air again.

[Tom62]

Yesterday evening (20:00? - 23:00 CET) there was also a very good documentary about Osama Bin Laden on CNN. Unfortunately I only saw half of it.

[Big Mac]

I'm waiting for more 9/11 conspiracies to come out, I love hearing about them.

[McQ]

I'm waiting for more 9/11 conspiracies to come out, I love hearing about them.

Yeah, me too, but I can't stand trying to argue with conspiracy theorists. I have been doing quite a bit of that in other fourms and in general. Drives me batty.

[JNTB]

A retrospective indictment of the Bush Administration:

Bush Porn

[Big Mac]

I'm waiting for more 9/11 conspiracies to come out, I love hearing about them.

Yeah, me too, but I can't stand trying to argue with conspiracy theorists. I have been doing quite a bit of that in other fourms and in general. Drives me batty.

I love how people say a military jet did it and I ask them what kind of jet was it. They draw a blank look and stammer something like...."Uh...a Harrier?" Can't people just accept the fact that the terrorists just outwitted and overpowered lax regulations and even laxer guards? Ugh, the next person that says something about 9/11 being a conspiracy, I'm going to personally stab them in the gut.

[Allhailtuna]

True. Debating with Conspiracy theorists is annoying. Then again, watching them debate others can be fun...
It's quite ridiculous, really. Though the fact that terrorists did it doesn't give credit to attacking a random country...

[Will]

As a conspiracy theorist, it's really about the same principles that make me an atheist. Skepticism, research, forming a theory, testing that theory, and coming to a verifiable conclusion. It should also be said that not all conspiracy theorists agree on some points. I've heard them all, everything from space aliens to the illuminati.

It's also about admitting we don't have all the answers. Where things like "Loose Change" go wrong is when they start presenting conjecture as fact. It ruins their credibility with discerning people. If anyone does want to discuss the finer points of what may or may not have happened on 9/11, I'd be fine having an open and friendly discussion.

[Churchworker]

False prophets brought down the towers and lead by Satan.

[rlrose328]

I've read a ton of stuff on the conspiracy of 9/11 and it makes me crazy.  I believe what happened, happened.  I hate Bush and his cronies as much as the next person, but I do not believe they had anything to do with it (that's the leading theory I've heard).

Of course, if we call Bush "Satan," I'll agree with Churchworker.  ;-)

[Dai]

Oh Fuck, Another one? Man I love those silly Theists!


Anyway, I do beleive that Bush and his cronies could have done more to prevent it, and that they have used the attacks to push their wars, which really have nothing to do with the attacks, but ignorant America doesn't read into things, and just accepts things at face value.


Do I think Bush (et. al.) did it? No, but I do believe they capitalized and are, in essence, both war and tragedy profiteers

[rlrose328]

Oh Fuck, Another one? Man I love those silly Theists!

Yeah, they're fun sometimes, aren't they?  And this one hears voices...  

Do I think Bush (et. al.) did it? No, but I do believe they capitalized and are, in essence, both war and tragedy profiteers

On that, we most assuredly agree.  Same with Guilianni.

[Dai]

I swear Rose, we are peas from the same Pod!

It absolutely sickens me. The way they use 9-11, the tragedy, to push legislation, that has nothin to do with 9-11.

Example; quite a while back, they were debating whether to legalize flag burning for protest. One of the arguments that was brought up was "was it not the American flag that flew high on top of the twin towers on September Eleventh?"

I just about simultaneously vomited and shit myself in disbelief, that people would capitalize on the suffering and tragedy of others, and use it to benefit their own ends.


This was during my more naive days.

[Allhailtuna]

Yup, 9/11 was a tragedy, but now it seems to be used more as a form of Nationalism. 'You don't want a compulsory minute of silence and compulsory prayer for 9/11? You aren't a Patriot!'
I don't live in the US myself, but apparently that happens. Also, seriously, 'Terrorists want Democrats to win', 'If you're against the war you don't want to avenge the deaths of all of those innocent civilians who died in 9/11'... Jeez, the Iraq War's killed more people than 9/11 already, how much vengeance do you want to get? Of course, you could instead try finding Bin Laden, etc, but nah, blowing up people in Iraq is more fun. Or something.

[Dai]

Please, I am a soldier in the U.S. Army.


I am also a liberal, an atheist, opposed to the Iraq War (We have business in Afghanistan, not Iraq), and a staunch opposer to Bush.

Let us remember that Bush first said finding Bin Laden was the utmost priority, only to state a few months later that finding Bin Laden was of no priority at all.