Barack Obama is an awful president

[Big Mac]

And the worst is "It's okay to cry." It's not if you are a boy. You are not to cry in front of others unless it's at a funeral or something. People need to harden up to the harsh reality that is life.

Hard shatters. Strong endures. And strong people may cry all they want

Crying is for the weak. The Strong survive and thrive. Weak cry and die.

[humblesmurph]

Now we have to worry about the rights of some homeless guy who stinks, drinks like a fish, and gets more government assistance than the guy who works for his money. Poor people need to help themselves. Not my problem.

Yeah. A large portion of my tax money is, in stead of being used on infrastructure, education and the like, being used to feed the prisoners, who don't have to work one day for their meals, pay rent for those who are too lazy to earn their own cash and help kids in like... Some country I couldn't even point to on a map because the poor buggers starve. Uh... Reality check: a good road to the neighbouring town is far more important to me than a bunch of half-dead kids in a country where families have dozens of them. And if that makes me a selfish bastard, well, so be it. I just think we can fix what needs fixing at home before we start fixing others - even if they are worse off.

Yes, this does make you a selfish bastard.  But a funny one.

[Asmodean]

Crying is for the weak. The Strong survive and thrive. Weak cry and die.

Crying is ok as long as you allow yourself to bend every now and then. If you do not - you are hard, not strong. And there is just a small step from hard to brittle. And when hard people shatter, they tend to cry a lot harder than the genuinely strong ones ever do.

Just for the sake of pointing to a flaw in the quote though: Weak cry, strong thrive, eh..? A baby is born. If it doesn't cry, it is likely to go dead on you unless it starts soon... Since it's like... Not breething and stuff. And air, it's important, or so I'm told. Even more so than love... Or so I hear. If it does cry shortly after birth though, all is considered well and good... Except for the fact that there is one more brat in the world.

[humblesmurph]

Crying is for the weak. The Strong survive and thrive. Weak cry and die.

Crying is ok as long as you allow yourself to bend every now and then. If you do not - you are hard, not strong. And there is just a small step from hard to brittle. And when hard people shatter, they tend to cry a lot harder than the genuinely strong ones ever do.

Just for the sake of pointing to a flaw in the quote though: Weak cry, strong thrive, eh..? A baby is born. If it doesn't cry, it is likely to go dead on you unless it starts soon... Since it's like... Not breething and stuff. And air, it's important, or so I'm told. Even more so than love... Or so I hear. If it does cry shortly after birth though, all is considered well and good... Except for the fact that there is one more brat in the world.

I'm no stoic.  I get moved emotionally just like the next guy.  I don't cry though.  Not a conscious decision or anything, I just don't do it.  I don't make any assumptions about a man that occasionally sheds a tear when he's kicked square in the jewels or his dog dies.  However, I have to hold in a snicker when I see men crying over ladies and what not.

[Big Mac]

Crying is for the weak. The Strong survive and thrive. Weak cry and die.

Crying is ok as long as you allow yourself to bend every now and then. If you do not - you are hard, not strong. And there is just a small step from hard to brittle. And when hard people shatter, they tend to cry a lot harder than the genuinely strong ones ever do.

Just for the sake of pointing to a flaw in the quote though: Weak cry, strong thrive, eh..? A baby is born. If it doesn't cry, it is likely to go dead on you unless it starts soon... Since it's like... Not breething and stuff. And air, it's important, or so I'm told. Even more so than love... Or so I hear. If it does cry shortly after birth though, all is considered well and good... Except for the fact that there is one more brat in the world.

I'm no stoic.  I get moved emotionally just like the next guy.  I don't cry though.  Not a conscious decision or anything, I just don't do it.  I don't make any assumptions about a man that occasionally sheds a tear when he's kicked square in the jewels or his dog dies.  However, I have to hold in a snicker when I see men crying over ladies and what not.

Emotions are like cows....kill them and eat them.

[Asmodean]

I have to hold in a snicker when I see men crying over ladies and what not.

I try not to judge someone elses barn too much when my own roof is leaky, but men or women, I DO snicker when they go all weepy over not getting laid by their dream-whatever or about the dream-whatever turning up to be anything but that "dream" part. I don't know why, I just lack compassion when it comes to other people's lovelife. (Cases of loved ones' death or severe injury excluded)

[Ultima22689]

stoicism is the mark of a real man.

That, a sizeable erection, sports addiction, interest in cars and a job as like... Lumberjack or something...

Why would anyone want to be that, mewonder...  [/quote]

Insecurities about themselves?[/quote]

I don't watch sports, cars are for getting from point A to point B, and I have a crappy job while I go to school.

I just don't like the sissy crap that is going on these days. Play nice, don't fight, blah blah. And the worst is "It's okay to cry." It's not if you are a boy. You are not to cry in front of others unless it's at a funeral or something. People need to harden up to the harsh reality that is life.[/quote]

You know, my dad was raised on that mentality, he's tough and strong but he's also a fucked up emotional wreck and an alcoholic all because he was raised to think that men can't have any emotions that could be seen as feminine or wasn't some barbaric display of manliness, it's a draconic frame of mind that is typically incompatible with the modern world. I used to be beat up routinely because he didn't know how to handle his emotions and instead raged out on others because he didn't know how to handle them.  The only people who talk like that are either had a fucked up child hood, like my Dad or are incredibly insecure about themselves that they need to display their masculinity for everyone to see.

Seeing as how my dad was raised like that, I was as well however my mom came from a very different family where it's okay to cry and be emotional, you don't have to routinely beat your chest and so she instilled that in me as well despite my dad acting like an animal half the time. My mother's brothers, my uncles are tough men despite being raised with all those things that make people "soft" AKA human. My Dad is currently unemployed and can't find work, he's been looking for a long time but it's not happening while on the other hand, my Uncle has been working and held a job since he was 17 and at one point ran a successful chain of restaurants, he sold them and is still making good money and working hard despite growing up being told to always let it out and cry when he needed to.

According to my mom both of them, like most boys at a young age cried their butts off but as they got older and were taught how to let out their emotion instead of holding it in for decades they cried less and less as they got older. I've seen my Dad break down in tears at least six times in my life and when he did, he broke down. I've only seen my uncle cry once and that was because we thought my great grandmother might've died. All that be a man crap is bullshit and only leads to seriously twisted people and/or people that are hurting really bad on the inside and don't know how to deal with their emotions. Just because you don't show it on the outside doesn't mean it isn't there. I used to be a major cry baby too and I will cry when I need to let it out but I can't remember the last time I cried and that isn't because my Dad beat the living crap out of me trying to make me into a man, it was because my mom nurtured me and taught me how to deal with my emotions.

However, I do agree with one sentiment, the PC crap is grating and is in many ways the same problem as the chest beating and male insecurities, just a different type, if people can't curse somebody out on TV or let out that they think somebody is retarded doesn't mean it isn't there, it's just hidden but it festers and becomes worse instead of society getting it off their chest. I think Limbaugh should be able to say all the racist crap he wants, if republicans want literally tell all the people who have fallen on hard times and can't get out of their rut anytime soon to fuck off then they should be able to.

The welfare problem isn't directly the result of people being too lazy to go out and look for work. My dad goes to that laborcore thing every single day and so do a lot of other people who can't find work. There will always be those who abuse the system but most people on welfare are on it because they truly are in a terrible position to find work or they are simply disabled.  If you think taxes are bad then you don't belong in America or any other civilized country for that matter, you should consider moving to Somalia, they don't pay taxes there, you get what you get as a direct result of your hard work. That's what you want right?

[Big Mac]

I have to hold in a snicker when I see men crying over ladies and what not.

I try not to judge someone elses barn too much when my own roof is leaky, but men or women, I DO snicker when they go all weepy over not getting laid by their dream-whatever or about the dream-whatever turning up to be anything but that "dream" part. I don't know why, I just lack compassion when it comes to other people's lovelife. (Cases of loved ones' death or severe injury excluded)

Pain from physical injury should be taken like a man. Remember that one scene from Platoon: "TAKE THE PAIN!!! TAKE THE PAIN!!!"

Why cry about it? It won't stop it from hurting. Be a man a take it like a man.

[Big Mac]

You know, my dad was raised on that mentality, he's tough and strong but he's also a fucked up emotional wreck and an alcoholic all because he was raised to think that men can't have any emotions that could be seen as feminine or wasn't some barbaric display of manliness, it's a draconic frame of mind that is typically incompatible with the modern world. I used to be beat up routinely because he didn't know how to handle his emotions and instead raged out on others because he didn't know how to handle them.  The only people who talk like that are either had a fucked up child hood, like my Dad or are incredibly insecure about themselves that they need to display their masculinity for everyone to see.

Seeing as how my dad was raised like that, I was as well however my mom came from a very different family where it's okay to cry and be emotional, you don't have to routinely beat your chest and so she instilled that in me as well despite my dad acting like an animal half the time. My mother's brothers, my uncles are tough men despite being raised with all those things that make people "soft" AKA human. My Dad is currently unemployed and can't find work, he's been looking for a long time but it's not happening while on the other hand, my Uncle has been working and held a job since he was 17 and at one point ran a successful chain of restaurants, he sold them and is still making good money and working hard despite growing up being told to always let it out and cry when he needed to.

According to my mom both of them, like most boys at a young age cried their butts off but as they got older and were taught how to let out their emotion instead of holding it in for decades they cried less and less as they got older. I've seen my Dad break down in tears at least six times in my life and when he did, he broke down. I've only seen my uncle cry once and that was because we thought my great grandmother might've died. All that be a man crap is bullshit and only leads to seriously twisted people and/or people that are hurting really bad on the inside and don't know how to deal with their emotions. Just because you don't show it on the outside doesn't mean it isn't there. I used to be a major cry baby too and I will cry when I need to let it out but I can't remember the last time I cried and that isn't because my Dad beat the living crap out of me trying to make me into a man, it was because my mom nurtured me and taught me how to deal with my emotions.

However, I do agree with one sentiment, the PC crap is grating and is in many ways the same problem as the chest beating and male insecurities, just a different type, if people can't curse somebody out on TV or let out that they think somebody is retarded doesn't mean it isn't there, it's just hidden but it festers and becomes worse instead of society getting it off their chest. I think Limbaugh should be able to say all the racist crap he wants, if republicans want literally tell all the people who have fallen on hard times and can't get out of their rut anytime soon to fuck off then they should be able to.

The welfare problem isn't directly the result of people being too lazy to go out and look for work. My dad goes to that laborcore thing every single day and so do a lot of other people who can't find work. There will always be those who abuse the system but most people on welfare are on it because they truly are in a terrible position to find work or they are simply disabled.  If you think taxes are bad then you don't belong in America or any other civilized country for that matter, you should consider moving to Somalia, they don't pay taxes there, you get what you get as a direct result of your hard work. That's what you want right?

No, I just don't like my tax money helping the lazy people of American anymore. I say let people not get food stamps or free medical. I say we just let the chips fall where they will and move on. No one helps me out and I do just fine, others can do it too.

And your dad sounds like an alright guy. I never cry at anything. Crying doesn't solve anything. When life throws me problems I laugh like a maniac and kill them off like a man.

Nothing gonna break my stride...oh no..I got to keep on moving!!!

[Asmodean]

Pain from physical injury should be taken like a man. Remember that one scene from Platoon: "TAKE THE PAIN!!! TAKE THE PAIN!!!"

Why cry about it? It won't stop it from hurting. Be a man a take it like a man.

Why? There ARE pain killers. Take me, for instance... I COULD have gritted my teeth through my kidney stone, but I chose Voltaren in stead and, in stead of being miserable, I watched Pirates of the Caribbean and munched on hospital food once they let me have some. Time far better spent than by "taking it like a man", which would just be a pointless display of... What exactly..? The size of my penis..? They saw that when they inserted a foley cath. (Had anaesthetics for that too, btw.   )

I was refering to compassion towards those around a severely injured person or that person him/her-self, however. While having near-none in most cases of shit happening between people who love each other, I can sympathise with that last cathegory.

[Ultima22689]

If you think my dad is an alright guy then you're just as fucked up as he is(as much as I love him).  I don't see how routinely beating up your son like he stole something from you is "alright".

You're probably trolling again and while you are no doubt a master of it, it's annoying, this isn't 4Chan.

[Big Mac]

sorry ultima I skimmed through your post. I tend to do that because usually you say im an asshole and shit. flattery only gets you so far. sounds like your dad takes it too far. I would never cry over stuff unless its major like a relative died. sorry your pops hit you. that is wrong.

I don't normally cry so I am confused why anyone would want to be so weak and blubbery about crap. I got two main emotions, anger and sleep. all I need to get by in my life. no emotional baggage on me. I have carry on instead all that crap.

just how I am. emotions are annoying and to me a display of weakness and vulnerability.

[Sophus]

I don't really know what happened to this thread, but I thought I'd share some more Bikini graph info for some input. Was somebody trying to claim earlier that this was misleading?

[Draconicstarz88]

He is not a muslim and he was born in the United States, BUT he is awful president.

There is a gap between what he said and what he does.  

The voters were fooled by a politician [as usual], feckless, callow, and laden with glib promises.

He tried to distance himself from Bush during the campaign, but he ended up continuing many of Bush's policies, because he realized they were necessary.

He campaigned on an anti-war platform, noting bracelet that a woman gave him after saying "please don't let another mother go through what I am going through".  He said it was stupid to give aid to a country with a $10 billion surplus.  He promised to withdraw the troops in 16 months.

He didn't do that.  He withdrew at a slower rate; the same rate Bush wanted to withdraw at.

There is only two paths of policy to be taken during the war:
keep the troops in long enough to win or don't fight at all.

There is no middle ground.

His withdrawal plan in Afghanistan is unfeasible (General Patraes said it would take years to get out of Afghanistan) and comparable to the failed policy of Vietnamization.

Unless politicians have a crystal ball, if they do let me know, it is impossible to make future decisions based on the conditions of the present.

His stimulus package was too expensive, too slow, and failed to stimulate the economy.

The Obama administration is the most unaccountable administration in history, rife with wasteful spending.  He signed a 2,000 pg health care bill; we all don't know what is hiding in its crevices.  He signed a 2,000 pg wall street reform bill; none of us know exactly what is inside.  He signed a $26 billion dollar bill without a name; we don't know exactly what is in it.  This is the most fiscally irresponsible administration in the nations history, driving the country over $2 trillion in debt in just 16 months.

Voting for Obama seemed like the right thing at the time.  Bush was the devil who single-handedly destroyed the economy, McCain is a war-hawk and a copy of Bush, the War in Iraq is stupid, and we're going to have our first African American president.  But some people only have a history span of 8 years and a vision of the future which doesn't go past 2 1/2 months.

Eventually, he's going to have to stop scapegoating Bush, who was a far better president in my opinion, and take responsibility for his own actions.

BETTER THAN BUSH

[KebertX]

BETTER THAN BUSH

To be fair, only 5 U.S. presidents in all of history have been deemed "Worse than Bush."