So thankful not all religious people are like this...

[GAYtheist]

OK. As the title says, I know that not everyone is like this, but this...this was upsetting.

Wowdude=me

Josephone:Um....actually jail and ass kind of go together...isn't that where many become...unwittingly, homosexuals?

Wowdude:OK. Why is it that Christians always fall back on non-consensual sex? When will you realize that rape is not about pleasure? It is about power. And to say otherwise throw what happened to survivors, like myself, back in our face. I am sick and tired of people saying this.

Men can be raped, by men and women. Just because their penis becomes erect means nothing but their body is reacting to stimulus.

1 in 6 women will be molested before the age of 18.
1 in 8 men will be molested before the age of 18.

At this point you are being willfully ignorant, if not completely insulting to everyone. Stop.

JO:Yeah but sometimes in prison that's all they have...so it isn't necessarily "rape" as you say, just two consenting prisoners...one might be more reluctant than the other but...hey...the convicts are used to...certain behaviorial rejections and deal with it accordingly, right?

Who is insulting anyone? I am just going along a logical progression here.

WD:Do you think before you type, or are you really that dumb? Yes, some homosexuality happens in prison, consensually. But did you even hear what you just said? Let me ask you something, if a woman's husband decides to not listen to his wife and force himself on her, and she relents because he beats her or threatens her, is that not rape because she relents so she isn't beaten or possibly killed? She's more reluctant than some wives, but hey, the wives are used to their husbands wanting sex, right? I only wish this scenario never played out, but it does.
Rape is rape, and it is about power. If you say otherwise, then I argue that your morals are in pretty poor shape, and that you need help.

JO:I don't disagree with you and you are right. On the other hand nearly all, if not all sexual sin is about power and selfishness. Including homosexuality. Selfishness and power over God and assuming you know better than Him what is well truth and moral. In sense all sexual sin is a form of "rape". In fact that is what it says in the Bible that sexual sin is done against persons own self.

WD: <Final as of now...and this is where I just...for lack of a better word, lost it>How dare you?! You ignorant...I'll tell you what, you lose your religious bunk and tell me that I am raping my partner, or that he is raping me. How the hell dare you, sir?

A little history lesson. My brother raped me for seven years. He threatened my life, beat me, emotionally abused me, and raped me for seven years. Do you have any idea what that kind of life is like? The pain and torment? I hope not, because if you have and you said what you did, I would seriously hope you were seeing a psychologist. I would never, in a million years, wish that on my worst enemy, and here you are telling me that I am doing that to my partner? No, you do not, under any circumstances say that to anyone.

You made this beyond personal. Now you are saying that people that are raped, for being gay, for being different, deserve it? No, that goes beyond shame. How dare you? Would you say that to your brother? Your sister? Think about it.

"Oh, sis, you made love to a woman, you raped each other because God says so."

No, you are now, in my eyes vile, disgusting, ignorant, bigoted, hateful and many other words that I am too pissed to even mention right now. Inhuman. That's the word, inhuman.

I can't even tell you to be ashamed, because it isn't good enough.

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I repeat, I know that not all, if very few, Christians are like this. I have had, in my life, a good many Christian friends that have taken the same view as I do on this topic, but this guy using his religion to say what he did, was beyond sick...and this is the only forum I felt save posting this. I don't plan on responding to this guy again, more for my own safety than anything.

John

[pinkocommie]

Unfortunately, I think a majority of fundamentalist Christians would agree with this:

On the other hand nearly all, if not all sexual sin is about power and selfishness. Including homosexuality. Selfishness and power over God and assuming you know better than Him what is well truth and moral. In sense all sexual sin is a form of "rape". In fact that is what it says in the Bible that sexual sin is done against persons own self.

And what's more, see nothing offensive about it whatsoever.  I am most likely missing an enlightening chunk of context here, but just based on what was posted it sounds like that person very well might honestly believe they're telling you an objective truth without being aware at all that actually their position is a crazy offensive belief based on an interpretation of an unverified text.  Intent to offend and being offensive are not always the same thing and don't, in my opinion, warrant the same reaction.  To a lot of those same kinds of fundamentalist Christians, talking about evolution (especially human evolution) may strike them as just as personally offensive as this jerk talking about homosexuality as if it's the same thing as rape.  The difference being that evolution is a fact backed up by evidence whereas homosexuality being the same thing as rape is a belief backed up only by instruments of that same belief.  However, if someone misguidedly believes a falsehood to be factual then their attitude when talking about it will likely come off as intentionally offensive when in reality, the message is offensive but their misguided belief in the message is earnest.  This also means that when you call them out on being offensive, they naturally take the position of hapless messenger rather than owning up to being a thoughtless asshole.

I think that's one of the reasons religions have such staying power - it must be nice to make horrible, stupid judgements about people and then when called out on it, hide behind a god with a 'don't blame me, I'm not the boss' attitude.

When I'm personally involved in topics, I tend to not argue with people about those topics online because people online don't typically care.  I end up all upset and frustrated while they just keep on keeping on, it's too annoying/hurtful to be worth it to me.  In my experience, sharing personal information or getting emotional at all with certain types of people will only help to validate their belief in their ridiculous position.  It promotes a kind of 'My truth is so intense, that guy flipped out.' or 'You're obviously only an atheist because you've had a hard life/are angry with God/have hardened your heart/etc.' BS attitude that only makes things more aggravating for you and more satisfying for them.

Personally, I have to avoid conversations concerning spousal abuse because of my experiences.  That's my thing I won't talk about with people I don't trust, because thoughtless comments hurt my feelings way too much and it's too easy to become a satisfying meal for a troll who knows what buttons to push.  I don't think it's worth allowing myself to get upset about when I know the person making me upset either doesn't realize why I'm hurt, doesn't care, or sees my pain/anger/outrage as some kind of victory.  Nope.  No thank you.  I'll pass on that shit.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I don't see the point of getting angry at online postings.  As unenlightened as your interlocutor appears to be, I'd just not talk with her at all.  Granted, it happens occasionally, but generally I just ttell them I'll solicit their opinion when it concerns me, unless I'm in a thread where lurkers are following.

[Caecilian]

Yeah, as the Pinkocommie and Thumpa say, its not worth getting upset about what some fuckwitted christian bigot says online. Really, who cares what she thinks?

I was also sexually abused as a child- by a neighbour who was (incidentally) a very devout catholic. I'm sure that it wasn't as bad as being abused by ones brother, but it pretty horrendously damaging all the same. I don't talk about it much- I think that this is the second time ever that I've mentioned it online. And I don't intend to talk about much in the future. Its self-protection.

Opening up to sympathetic atheists is one thing. It can be very helpful to speak about your traumas to a supportive group of peers, so if you find it useful by all means talk about it here. But please be cautious in less sympathetic environments. You need to protect yourself. You're under no obligation to talk about your sexuality or your experience of abuse when conversing with homophobic morons. If the result of doing so is your getting upset, then you need to stop.

[GAYtheist]

Yeah, as the Pinkocommie and Thumpa say, its not worth getting upset about what some fuckwitted christian bigot says online. Really, who cares what she thinks?

I was also sexually abused as a child- by a neighbour who was (incidentally) a very devout catholic. I'm sure that it wasn't as bad as being abused by ones brother, but it pretty horrendously damaging all the same. I don't talk about it much- I think that this is the second time ever that I've mentioned it online. And I don't intend to talk about much in the future. Its self-protection.

Opening up to sympathetic atheists is one thing. It can be very helpful to speak about your traumas to a supportive group of peers, so if you find it useful by all means talk about it here. But please be cautious in less sympathetic environments. You need to protect yourself. You're under no obligation to talk about your sexuality or your experience of abuse when conversing with homophobic morons. If the result of doing so is your getting upset, then you need to stop.

You're right. It just gets to me though, it really does. Which is probably why I'm going to be leaving that site after today. I just can't understand how people can think like that though.

[Davin]

You're right. It just gets to me though, it really does. Which is probably why I'm going to be leaving that site after today. I just can't understand how people can think like that though.

And I don't think it's worth it to figure out how one can think like that.

[GAYtheist]

You're right. It just gets to me though, it really does. Which is probably why I'm going to be leaving that site after today. I just can't understand how people can think like that though.

And I don't think it's worth it to figure out how one can think like that.

Its hard to explain why I want, or need to understand why they think like this. It infuriates me, and I know it isn't healthy for me, but that's exactly why I'll be bringing up to my therapist on Tuesday. But, I do promise to try to keep this kinda shit to a minimum.