w00t arguments...>=(

[Killa_Kron]

Alright so my devoutly christian friend likes to remind me every time we get into a debate-type-thing that Darwin actually converted to a christian on his death-bed. Is there any truth to this? If not, can anyone tell me where it originated?

[JillSwift]

No truth to it. The hoax is called "The Lady Hope Story", you can read up on it here.

[Killa_Kron]

No truth to it. The hoax is called "The Lady Hope Story", you can read up on it here.

Danke shöen meine Freund  

[JillSwift]

Danke shöen meine Freund  

Bitte schön!

[Killa_Kron]

Sorry...evidently i can't spell...in Deutch  

[JillSwift]

Sorry...evidently i can't spell...in Deutch  

[Tank]

Alright so my devoutly christian friend likes to remind me every time we get into a debate-type-thing that Darwin actually converted to a christian on his death-bed. Is there any truth to this? If not, can anyone tell me where it originated?

It's bollocks. It is a myth and irrelevant anyway. IF CD had gone back to his Christian roots it would not have invalidated his work, just that he's decided to change his mind about the existance of heaven and hell or some such garbage.

CD was brought up a Christian and believed in the Bible's story. He was a creationist for a good many years. The turning point of his overt behaviour appears to have been when his eldest child Anne(?) died. After that he would not enter a church again. The fact that CD was a Christian Creationist lends huge weight to his discoveries. He didn't want them to be true, he knew he was going to kill God if and when he published. It's why he spent years building the most watertight case he could. It's why he didn' use the fossil record as evidence as he knew it was full of holes at the time. CD was the best possible person to promote the idea of evolution by natural selection because he had to change his entire world view on its head. He could never be accused of confirmation bias!

[Tanker]

You may also get an argument about Darwin's racism as an example of how "if he was wrong about that he was wrong about everything". By todays standard Darwin was pretty damn ignorant about "race" and was pretty racist....by todays standards. He like everyone is a product of his times, it doesn't change or invalidate anything else he did though.

As an example Galileo believed that comets were an optical illusion in the Earth's atmosphere (wahh?). Which is absolutly wrong but it doesn't invalidate the fact he was right about the Earth revolving around the sun.

ooh and don't let him quote mine you on darwin explination for the eye.

Darwin said and creationists quote...

To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree.

However the same quote continues as

Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real. How a nerve comes to be sensitive to light, hardly concerns us more than how life itself first originated; but I may remark that several facts make me suspect that any sensitive nerve may be rendered sensitive to light, and likewise to those coarser vibrations of the air which produce sound. (Darwin 1872, 143-144)

an example of which can be found here but this one includes a huge dose of being a lier for Christ.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfFXH3VqcCM&feature=PlayList&p=3AC234B7E49D31C7&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=2

[Tank]

[youtube:3n8i6w28]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfFXH3VqcCM[/youtube:3n8i6w28]

[Tanker]

Thanks tank spent 15 minutes trying to get it to post that way but it wouldn't work. Never had that problem before.

[Tank]

Thanks tank spent 15 minutes trying to get it to post that way but it wouldn't work. Never had that problem before.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfFXH3VqcCM&feature=PlayList&p=3AC234B7E49D31C7&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=2
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfFXH3VqcCM
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