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[some light plz]

I said in  my post : " I wrote only one verse of many verses mentioned human's stages in wombs "
If you want to read more about this truth : " human creation between science and Quran  "

http://www.quranandscience.com/human/86 ... ce-27.html

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Thanks for the link somelight, very interesting.
Listen, I respect your right to follow whatever religion suits you and I don't want to seem disrespectful, but I also don't agree with you.  
 Genesis 38:9 mentions that a guy named Onan "spilled his seed on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother",  so obviously people already knew that semen was necessary for creating babies before the Quran was written.

Also, as far back as the 2nd century there was a Greek doctor named Claudius Galenus, he was born in what is now Turkey. His theories in medicine were studied for over a thousand years and he knew in the 2nd century that there were at least 4 stages of embryonic development.
1. unformed white conceptus like semen
2. a bloody vascularised foetus
3. other features mapped out but not fully formed
4.all the organs are formed and joints freely movable
 I'm almost sure that over the 500 years between his death and Muhammad's birth word of his discoveries got around.

The Quran says that a baby is created from the man's nuftah (semen) and then becomes a alaqa (clot) but it doesn't mention the egg at all. If Muhammad knew how babies were formed in the uterus why didn't he mention the egg?

Anyone who spends enough time around animals and butchering animals for food, has ample opportunity to see the embryonic stages of development in the uterus's of the animals that they are butchering. It's not a far stretch to assume that the same is true of humans.

I'm not dogging your prophet, somelightplz, I'm just saying that because of the above reasons, I don't buy it.

You have the right to ask , also my duty  is  to answer these questions to reveal the truth , also to remove the doubts :
1-   prophet Mohammad was a person who can not read nor  write .
2-   the Arabs " nation of prophet Mohammad " were a nation lived in darkness far  away from knowledge and sciences , all they knew the barbaric life . and killing each other .  also the nature of the Arab land is harsh not fit to build  a civilization " desert " .they are not like Greek civilization .
3-   prophet Mohammad lived an orphan , his father died before he came to life , and his mother died while he was at the age of 6 years . he lived as a poor person with his grandfather then his uncle who was a poor person .. even after his  marriage  2 months and more passed on him and on his family without burning a fire in his house for food .
4-   before the inspiration , most of his time was in the cave of Hiraa looking at the heavens also escaping from his nation religion " they were idols worshippers " .
5-   after the inspiration , his life was full with many huge events " the message , battles , learning his companions , migration , persecution,  he faced torture     " .
6-   sperm's diameter = 0.1  Millimeter  ( only can be seen by microscopes ) .leech-like clot diameter = (0.7 â€" 3.0 ) Millimeter .morsel of flesh diameter = ( 3.2 â€" 13 ) Millimeter . because of the small size of these stages , scientists were unable to discover these exact details  until the 20th century , by using advanced technology . . also  professor Kith Moor did not ignore or forget  Galen's research , but he compared between the two facts and the result of his researches . and he found the exact result in Quran not  in Galen's researches
Galen : Geniture - an unformed white conceptus like semen
prophet Mohammad : We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed

Galen : A bloody vascularised foetus with brain, liver and heart
prophet Mohammad : Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood

Galen : Other features were mapped out but unformed
prophet Mohammad : ; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump

Galen : Puer - all the organs were well formed and joints were freely moveable.
prophet Mohammad : then we made out of that lump bones

Galen : …………………………………….
Prophet Mohammad : and clothed the bones with flesh;

Galen : …………………………………….
Prophet Mohammad : then produced it as another creation

((12. Man We did create from a quintessence (of clay); 13. Then We placed him as (a drop of) sperm in a place of rest, firmly fixed; 14. Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump;then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create! )) Surah 23
did prophet Mohammad has a supernatural eyes to see these stages ?
how many animals have been slain by prophet Mohammad  to record his notes about  embryology ? he can not read nor write  .

8 â€" the word " nuftah " is not the man's water only . it has been explained in the holy Quran at Surah 76 â€" 2 ((2. Verily We created Man from a drop of mingled sperm, in order to try him: So We gave him (the gifts), of Hearing and Sight ))  .


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[Tom62]

Islam is the oldest religion on earth , it appeared  before Jewish and Christianity for many reasons  :
1- prophet Abraham was not a Jew or a Christian .

Vedic Hinduism is generally regarded as the oldest organized religion. Sanskrit is the oldest written language that contains religious texts, as far as organized religion is concerned, it is said that Rama appeared approx. a million or so years ago.  Krishna, God himself according to the Vedic scriptures, appeared here 5,000 years ago. In comparison with Hinduism, all Abrahamic religions are very young, because Abraham dates back to 1800 BC.

[some light plz]

Vedic Hinduism is generally regarded as the oldest organized religion. Sanskrit is the oldest written language that contains religious texts, as far as organized religion is concerned, it is said that Rama appeared approx. a million or so years ago.  Krishna, God himself according to the Vedic scriptures, appeared here 5,000 years ago. In comparison with Hinduism, all Abrahamic religions are very young, because Abraham dates back to 1800 BC.

Thanks tom62
My comment was about the 3 main heavenly religions  after prophet Abraham .
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The word religion is a general word in it a true religions also a false religions , but the  true religions are 5 religions  :
1-   the message of prophet Noah .
2-   the message of prophet Abraham .
3-   the message of prophet Moses .
4-   the message of prophet Jesus .
5-   and the last  message of prophet Mohammad .peace be upon all  prophets

all these messages invite to worship one god only " Allah " .

I hope you watch this video about Krishna very interesting :

[youtube:3dn7hu0f]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnUOPNs3EFc[/youtube:3dn7hu0f]

death is the beginning of the story  â€¦ from a faithful heart : I wish the everlasting happiness for all of you . my regard .

[Zyva]

You have the right to ask , also my duty  is  to answer these questions to reveal the truth , also to remove the doubts :
1-   prophet Mohammad was a person who can not read nor  write .

Saying that Mohammad could not read or write, and then saying that he wrote the Quran is an obvious misunderstanding. Apparently, he could write.

2-   the Arabs " nation of prophet Mohammad " were a nation lived in darkness far  away from knowledge and sciences , all they knew the barbaric life . and killing each other .  also the nature of the Arab land is harsh not fit to build  a civilization " desert " .they are not like Greek civilization .

I'll agree that it was not an ideal place to live.

3-   prophet Mohammad lived an orphan , his father died before he came to life , and his mother died while he was at the age of 6 years . he lived as a poor person with his grandfather then his uncle who was a poor person .. even after his  marriage  2 months and more passed on him and on his family without burning a fire in his house for food .

Mohammad was born in Mecca, one of the largest cities in Arabia at that time, I can't imagine a merchant in Mecca who couldn't read or write, I'm sure it's possible though. Mohammad being poor doesn't impress me. I grew up poor.

4-   before the inspiration , most of his time was in the cave of Hiraa looking at the heavens also escaping from his nation religion " they were idols worshippers " .

Yes, Mecca was a large meeting place for pagans  and that disturbed Mohammad so he moved out of the city and into the cave.

5-   after the inspiration , his life was full with many huge events " the message , battles , learning his companions , migration , persecution,  he faced torture     " .

Like all of the prophets before him, he wasn't important until he became a prophet.

did prophet Mohammad has a supernatural eyes to see these stages ?

I've already stated why he didn't need supernatural eyes to see the stages, it was common knowledge at that time.

how many animals have been slain by prophet Mohammad  to record his notes about  embryology ? he can not read nor write  .

If he wrote the Quran, then he could write.

8 â€" the word " nuftah " is not the man's water only . it has been explained in the holy Quran at Surah 76 â€" 2 ((2. Verily We created Man from a drop of mingled sperm, in order to try him: So We gave him (the gifts), of Hearing and Sight ))  .

Once again, I'll ask why leave out the egg? It's just as important as the sperm. The sperm could not create anything without the egg and vice versa.  How about I tell you why instead?
The common idea among scholars in the 7th century was that the sperm created the child. No one knew (not even the inspired Mohammad) that there was an egg involved in the process.
The fact that the prophet never mentions the woman's part of the nuftah leads me to believe that his observations or prophecies if you like to call them that, are lacking.
Now, if Mohammad had mentioned the egg (or even anything resembling the woman's part in the creation of a baby) in his version, that would be impressive and worth looking into, but the fact that the Quran doesn't contain any information that wasn't common knowledge at the time of it's writing, leaves me unimpressed.
Once again, I don't want to offend, but I don't buy it.

[curiosityandthecat]

[Whitney]

some light plz has been issues a warning for preaching and was sent the following message:

You have been told not to preach and given a lot of time to figure out how not to do so.  However, all you are doing is throwing out verses from your holy text and very largely disregarding criticism.

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Until now even when you became an atheist , unable to get out from the circle of Bible …
more than once " the writers of the bible lied about God and prophets "

my friends , I will show you something different above your imagination .

my regard

isnt that what the Quran is based on? the old testament? the first book of the god of abraham?

Islam is the oldest religion on earth , it appeared  before Jewish and Christianity for many reasons  :
1- prophet Abraham was not a Jew or a Christian .

2-the covenant between Allah and prophet Abraham has 2conditions :
( a ) : Abraham and his sons should Guide people to worship one god only .
( b ) : Allah will make people bless prophet Abraham for ever .

 

"Islam is the oldest religion on earth , it appeared  before Jewish and Christianity for many reasons  :
1- prophet Abraham was not a Jew or a Christian ."
Lol what do you have to back this claim? or is this a conspiracy you/muslims have?  
i have read much on the contrary:

The Koran was written after the Torah, in the late 7th century, while much of the Torah was written at least 3,000 years ago.

Judaism is the oldest monotheistic religion, and the history of Judaism cannot be separated from the history of the Jewish people. Its foundation lies in the original covenant made between Abraham and God, circa 1900 BCE, when Abraham was called to leave his home in Ur and travel to Cannan (later known as Palestine and Israel), a land which God promised to give to his descendants. The second and chief covenant was made 450 years later when Moses led the Jews out of slavery in Egypt (the exodus) back to the lands of Canaan. At Mt Horeb (Sinai), God gave the Jewish people the 10 Commandants and other rules to live by (contained in the Torah, the first five books of the Bible), marking the beginning of Judaism as a structured religion.

Many of those who follow Judaism and Christianity probably regard the founder of Judaism to be Abraham, whom they consider to have lived before 2000 BCE. Others may regard the true founder of Judaism to be Moses, who is traditionally considered to have lived around 1400 BCE. On these views, Judaism is around 4000 or 3400 years old.

The beginning date of Judaism could be:
•   During Abraham's time, as he is the forefather of Judaism some around 1900 BCE; nearly 4000 years ago.
•   At the time the Torah was given the the Jews on Mount Sinai some 400 years later.


Islam was founded in 610 A.D, by Muhammed

Most religious historians view Islam as having been founded in 622 CE by Muhammad the Prophet (peace be upon him).* He lived from about 570 to 632 CE). The religion started in Mecca, when the angel Jibril (a.k.a. Jibreel; Gabriel in English) read the first revelation to Muhammad (pbuh). (Mohammed and Muhammed (pbuh) are alternative spellings for his name.) Islam is the youngest of the world's very large religions -- those with over 300 million members -- which include Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism.
Jesus crucifixion: The Anno Domini system was developed by a monk named Dionysius Exiguus (born in Scythia Minor) in Rome in 525, as an outcome of his work on calculating the date of Easter.
33 AD is a commonly accepted date (for the death of jesus). In this year it was Friday April 3rd.

Date of founding: Christianity circa 30 CE.  date of founding islam 622 CE.

i would state my sources but you can just google and find islam is the youngest monotheistic religion in MILLIONS of different sites.

how is it that in the time of moses (lets pretend he was real) leading the israelites  out of egypt.... that moses was actually a muslim? islam wasnt even a thought yet. you simply cant take another religion and steal it and claim it to be yours just because. i dont see how that makes anything you state after that relevant, coherent, or even thought out.

[Zyva]

[some light plz]

to Zyva
At the first time you said : [  The Quran says that a baby is created from the man's nuftah (semen) and then becomes a alaqa (clot) but it doesn't mention the egg at all. If Muhammad knew how babies were formed in the uterus why didn't he mention the egg? ]
And I explained the word " Nutfaa "

then you changed your question : [Once again, I'll ask why leave out the egg? It's just as important as the sperm. The sperm could not create anything without the egg and vice versa. How about I tell you why instead? The common idea among scholars in the 7th century was that the sperm created the child. No one knew (not even the inspired Mohammad) that there was an egg involved in the process. ]

the holy Quran is speaking about a creation process , this process  can not be achieved without meeting of both " male and female " . the ****** knows this information , and the holy Quran does not talk with ******.

((189. It is He Who created you from a single person, and made his mate of like nature, in order that he might dwell with her (in love). When they are united, she bears a light burden and carries it about (unnoticed). When she grows heavy, they both pray to Allah their Lord, (saying): "If Thou givest us a goodly child, we vow we shall (ever) be grateful.)) Surah 7

((13. O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, )) Surah 49
Which means creation in wombs could not be achieved without this meeting

I closed all doors , but you did not understand it :
1-   poor : means not rich , which means he has no animals [ cattle ] to slay .
2-   a barbaric nation : means unscientific  environment . unhelpful environment for science and knowledge
3-   you agree with me : the message of Allah is not for animals but for human , therefore the challenge must for the specific sex [ human ], to close this door against unfruitful  arguing . by speaking about unseen and undiscovered thing , even in our days you will not see the stages by your eyes ... you must use an advanced  microscopes .
4-   huge events : means he has no time to record his notes about animals . and how he could record while he can not read and write ?
5-   can not read or write : means can not read or write . and this is one of his great miracles by challenging all humankind :[ wises , scientists , doctors  ,  experts , .............. ]  with Laws in all life parts [economic , social, political , homely , ] to bring a Law equal or better than his Law . also the one who wrote Quran are his companions by his command .

I hope Recusant  who Discusses me very intelligent person knows the targets of each comment . Do you want me to increase the level of this discussion ?
Because you affirmed that you did not read  the link .
May Allah bless you professor Moor

[pinkocommie]

the word " nuftah " is not the man's water only . it has been explained in the holy Quran at Surah 76 â€" 2 ((2. Verily We created Man from a drop of mingled sperm, in order to try him: So We gave him (the gifts), of Hearing and Sight ))

It's a big logic jump to assume that 'mingled sperm' must mean a sperm and an egg.  At this point it's pretty obvious that you have little interest in the information as it's presented, but rather you are trying to force the information from the Quran to prove a specific desired result.  When your argument is reduced to a point where 'mingled sperm' must be accepted as 'sperm and egg' when 'mingled sperm' in no way suggests the presence of an egg, you are officially trying to make reality fit the book and not witnessing the book reflecting reality.

I would love to see you respond in your own words without a single giant block of quoted text from the Quran.  The fact that you seem incapable of communicating without quoting giant chunks of an unverifiable religious text makes you a troll.  If you want to have a discussion, awesome.  But if you keep being a troll you're going to get banned.

[Whitney]

why does it matter if the writter of the koran knows that it takes a male and a female to make a baby?  How is that proof of anything other than the writer's ability to observe what happens in real life?

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It's a big logic jump to assume that 'mingled sperm' must mean a sperm and an egg. At this point it's pretty obvious that you have little interest in the information as it's presented, but rather you are trying to force the information from the Quran to prove a specific desired result. When your argument is reduced to a point where 'mingled sperm' must be accepted as 'sperm and egg' when 'mingled sperm' in no way suggests the presence of an egg, you are officially trying to make reality fit the book and not witnessing the book reflecting reality.

It makes me think of an archer who shoots an arrow at the broad side of a barn. Then walks up to the arrow stuck in the barn and paints a target around it. Then claims to have hit a bulls eye.
All I got out of the last post was that by the 7th century people understood filling women with semen made babies. And that she thinks Recusant is an intelligent person.  Ill agree with that part...
And what is the “****** knows this information , and the holy Quran does not talk with ******?” my imagination runs wild with the ******. Its like an old choose your own adventure book.

[pinkocommie]

It's a big logic jump to assume that 'mingled sperm' must mean a sperm and an egg. At this point it's pretty obvious that you have little interest in the information as it's presented, but rather you are trying to force the information from the Quran to prove a specific desired result. When your argument is reduced to a point where 'mingled sperm' must be accepted as 'sperm and egg' when 'mingled sperm' in no way suggests the presence of an egg, you are officially trying to make reality fit the book and not witnessing the book reflecting reality.

It makes me think of an archer who shoots an arrow at the broad side of a barn. Then walks up to the arrow stuck in the barn and paints a target around it. Then claims to have hit a bulls eye.
All I got out of the last post was that by the 7th century people understood filling women with semen made babies. And that she thinks Recusant is an intelligent person.  Ill agree with that part...
And what is the “****** knows this information , and the holy Quran does not talk with ******?” my imagination runs wild with the ******. Its like an old choose your own adventure book.

Yeah, I don't understand the ***** thing either.  Are we doing religious madlibs now or what?

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honestly im glad you said that, i thought i might be the only one who didnt get the ******. i dont know of any bad 6 letter words.

[Zyva]

I hope Recusant  who Discusses me very intelligent person knows the targets of each comment . Do you want me to increase the level of this discussion ?

No that's ok,  I think it's a lost cause. You and I see things from a completely different point of view. That's not a bad thing, we just disagree.
If it makes you feel any better, I don't believe the bible is the word of god either.
It's been fun discussing this with you some light plz.