resurrection

[Mark L Holland]

To Some Light pls

   The problem is not you making yourself understood, the problem is you offering no evidence whatsoever to back up what you say.  You claim to know the truths of Allah and to know the mind of Allah, but have given no evidence whatsoever that you know the truths of Allah nor have you given any evidence to show that you know the mind of Allah.  All you have done is show that there is little difference between Islam and Christianity.  All either of you do is say "yada yada yada and that is why God is real"  without giving any evidence in the process.

 :bananacolor:

[Zyva]

I agree with Mark, I understand your posts perfectly, I just don't understand where you're coming from.
I watched the Keith Moore vid that you posted and I got my copy of the Qu'ran out and looked up the verses that he quoted.
I don't see anything out of the ordinary.  I think Dr. Moore was kissing the butts of the people who were funding his research, to be honest.
Yes the Qu'ran says some very interesting things about how sexual reproduction works, but it isn't anything that any farmer or shepherd of the 7th century wouldn't know. Sorry.

[Mark L Holland]

To Zyva

  I would also mention that Some Light pls references to astronomical references in the Koran as being advanced to all other knowledge at the time is not realistic in the face of the Mayan and Inca’s.  Thousands of years before the best part of Islam or Christianity dripped down the leg of who ever invented them, the Inca and Mayan knowledge of astrology would remain unsurpassed until modern times.
 

[curiosityandthecat]

Thousands of years before the best part of Islam or Christianity dripped down the leg of who ever invented them, the Inca and Mayan knowledge of astrology would remain unsurpassed until modern times.

:hail:

[some light plz]

To Some Light pls

   The problem is not you making yourself understood, the problem is you offering no evidence whatsoever to back up what you say.  You claim to know the truths of Allah and to know the mind of Allah, but have given no evidence whatsoever that you know the truths of Allah nor have you given any evidence to show that you know the mind of Allah.  All you have done is show that there is little difference between Islam and Christianity.  All either of you do is say "yada yada yada and that is why God is real"  without giving any evidence in the process.

 :bananacolor:

To Mark L Holland
Correct me if I am wrong :
you believe in intelligent design . but this intelligent design is not done by God .
you are against The proposition that human beings are created in the image of God . [ as the bible said ]
also you do not believe God existent  .
I will get back to your last comment after your answer .

Take care …

[Mark L Holland]

To some light pls

  I believe that there is at least one God but there can be as many Gods as there are beliefs in Gods.  I believe that God or Gods created everything, or more precisely I believe that the Universe is a living entity that is God so as God or Gods were created so were all other things created.  As for being created in the image of God or Gods physically of course not.  I do not believe that God or Gods are physical beings, I believe they are beings of power and energy that may take on physical forms but those forms are by their choice.

  I do not believe in intelligent design as is described by Christianity.  I believe in creation as science has explained creation from the big bang on forward, but that during the evolution of things as they occurred God or Gods added ingredients here or there, stirred this or that, tweaked this or that to guide evolution into the outcomes that were desired.   I see no conflict between what science says happened and with the creation theory, if God or Gods created everything then it was done through the big bang and the evolution of things that came afterward.
 

[Zyva]

To Zyva

  I would also mention that Some Light pls references to astronomical references in the Koran as being advanced to all other knowledge at the time is not realistic in the face of the Mayan and Inca’s.  Thousands of years before the best part of Islam or Christianity dripped down the leg of who ever invented them, the Inca and Mayan knowledge of astrology would remain unsurpassed until modern times.
 lol  
 I missed those references, Thanks for pointing it out and I agree!
I also appreciate the above post about your beliefs, Mark Holland.

[G-Roll]

Until now even when you became an atheist , unable to get out from the circle of Bible …
more than once " the writers of the bible lied about God and prophets "

my friends , I will show you something different above your imagination .

my regard

isnt that what the Quran is based on? the old testament? the first book of the god of abraham?

[some light plz]

To Some Light pls

   The problem is not you making yourself understood, the problem is you offering no evidence whatsoever to back up what you say.  You claim to know the truths of Allah and to know the mind of Allah, but have given no evidence whatsoever that you know the truths of Allah nor have you given any evidence to show that you know the mind of Allah.  All you have done is show that there is little difference between Islam and Christianity.  All either of you do is say "yada yada yada and that is why God is real"  without giving any evidence in the process.

 :bananacolor:

Sorry for late ,
I did not say I know the mind of Allah .  (never ) .. but I know  :
why  did  Allah create human  ?
for one target :
(( 56. I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me. 57. No Sustenance do I require of them, nor do I require that they should feed Me. 58. For Allah is He Who gives (all) Sustenance,- Lord of Power,- Steadfast (for ever). ))

who am I ?
yes , I am a creature as many creatures in this universe , but I am also :
( A) :   a vicegerent on earth :
He commanded me to build this earth by good deeds and righteous , therefore the explanation of the bible about " human beings are created in the image of God  "  is a false explanation . I will write my own explanation :
the idea that human looks like God in shape  wrong idea . God is perfect in hearing   , seeing   , strength .. actually he is   perfect in everything . if   We have done a comparison between human and   other creatures: we will find Human is downgraded in ranking . There are many creatures   better   than human in (( hearing , seeing , strength , speed ,…… )) . the fact human is weak . and this is not the image of God , he is not weak . therefore (man in our image ) has one meaning : the ability of thinking and creating our own universe on this earth like what  God did by creating this universe  . he created for us the helpful  tools and the materials to Build this earth . This image does not achieve in other creatures , but it achieved in human .human is the only creature able to develop his life , to use the materials of earth for a better life . and the engine in this is the brain .   which means that human   a vicegerent on earth .
 in Quran  : (( (He is) the Creator of the heavens and the earth: He has made for you pairs from among yourselves, and pairs among cattle: by this means does He multiply you: there is nothing whatever like unto Him, and He is the One that hears and sees (all things). )) . Observe :almighty Allah   spoke about ( human , cattle , heavens and earth ) . then he announced that he hears and sees all things but there is nothing whatever like unto him .

( B ) : a honorable creature .
In Quran : ((70. We have honored the sons of Adam; provided them with transport on land and sea; given them for sustenance things good and pure; and conferred on them special favours, above a great part of our creation. ))

Why Did Allah created this universe ?
1-   for truth :
((27. Not without purpose did We create heaven and earth and all between! that were the thought of Unbelievers! but woe to the Unbelievers because of the Fire (of Hell)! )) Surah 38
((16. Not for (idle) sport did We create the heavens and the earth and all that is between! 17. If it had been Our wish to take (just) a pastime, We should surely have taken it from the things nearest to Us, if We would do (such a thing)! )) Surah 21
2-   To serve human ,
in Quran : ((13. And He has subjected to you, as from Him, all that is in the heavens and on earth: Behold, in that are Signs indeed for those who reflect. )) Surah 45
((32. It is Allah Who hath created the heavens and the earth and sendeth down rain from the skies, and with it bringeth out fruits wherewith to feed you; it is He Who hath made the ships subject to you, that they may sail through the sea by His command; and the rivers (also) hath He made subject to you.  )) Surah 14

are there any gods partner the Real God ( Allah ) in his kingdom ?
NO , one god , one path , one way to worship him ,
((2. He to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth: no son has He begotten, nor has He a partner in His dominion: it is He who created all things, and ordered them in due proportions. 3. Yet have they taken, besides him, gods that can create nothing but are themselves created; that have no control of hurt or good to themselves; nor can they control death nor life nor resurrection. ))Surah 25

Logical answers :
((42. Say: If there had been (other) gods with Him, as they say,- behold, they would certainly have sought out a way to the Lord of the Throne! 43. Glory to Him! He is high above all that they say!- Exalted and Great (beyond measure)! )) Surah 17
((91. No son did Allah beget, nor is there any god along with Him: (if there were many gods), behold, each god would have taken away what he had created, and some would have lorded it over others! Glory to Allah. (He is free) from the (sort of) things they attribute to Him! 92. He knows what is hidden and what is open: too high is He for the partners they attribute to Him! )) Surah 23

59. Say: Praise be to Allah, and Peace on his servants whom He has chosen (for his Message). (Who) is better?- Allah or the false gods they associate (with Him)?
60. Or, Who has created the heavens and the earth, and Who sends you down rain from the sky? Yea, with it We cause to grow well-planted orchards full of beauty of delight: it is not in your power to cause the growth of the trees in them. (Can there be another) god besides Allah. Nay, they are a people who swerve from justice. 61. Or, Who has made the earth firm to live in; made rivers in its midst; set thereon mountains immovable; and made a separating bar between the two bodies of flowing water? (can there be another) god besides Allah. Nay, most of them know not. 62. Or, Who listens to the (soul) distressed when it calls on Him, and Who relieves its suffering, and makes you (mankind) inheritors of the earth? (Can there be another) god besides Allah. Little it is that ye heed! 63. Or, Who guides you through the depths of darkness on land and sea, and Who sends the winds as heralds of glad tidings, going before His Mercy? (Can there be another) god besides Allah.- High is Allah above what they associate with Him! 64. Or, Who originates creation, then repeats it, and who gives you sustenance from heaven and earth? (Can there be another) god besides Allah. Say, "Bring forth your argument, if ye are telling the truth!" 65. Say: None in the heavens or on earth, except Allah, knows what is hidden: nor can they perceive when they shall be raised up (for Judgment).
66. Still less can their knowledge comprehend the Hereafter: Nay, they are in doubt and uncertainty thereanent; nay, they are blind thereunto!

I think there is a clear difference between Islam and Christianity .
Any Muslim's opinion about life and God will be according to Quran , our life moves according to an exact doctrine which is the message of Allah ( the holy Quran ) .

[some light plz]

I agree with Mark, I understand your posts perfectly, I just don't understand where you're coming from.
I watched the Keith Moore vid that you posted and I got my copy of the Qu'ran out and looked up the verses that he quoted.
I don't see anything out of the ordinary.  I think Dr. Moore was kissing the butts of the people who were funding his research, to be honest.
Yes the Qu'ran says some very interesting things about how sexual reproduction works, but it isn't anything that any farmer or shepherd of the 7th century wouldn't know. Sorry.

I said in  my post : " I wrote only one verse of many verses mentioned human's stages in wombs "
If you want to read more about this truth : " human creation between science and Quran  "

http://www.quranandscience.com/human/86 ... ce-27.html

thanks

[some light plz]

my friend Mark
One more thing  :
I thought you are an atheist , therefore my posts were  proving that Allah's existent .

thnaks

[some light plz]

Just to explain important thing ,
 in Arabic language it is allowable for the  singular to  use the pronoun [ We ] … if this singular is a great person or an important one . as kings or the presidents . also before the holy Quran , the Arabian poets used this pronoun [ We ] in poems to glorify  themselves  .
And for Allah there is nothing greater than him , and no one deserve to be glorify more than him .

[Whitney]

Just to explain important thing ,
 in Arabic language it is allowable for the  singular to  use the pronoun [ We ] … if this singular is a great person or an important one . as kings or the presidents . also before the holy Quran , the Arabian poets used this pronoun [ We ] in poems to glorify  themselves  .
And for Allah there is nothing greater than him , and no one deserve to be glorify more than him .

fyi, in English it is commonly called the Royal We http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_plural

[Zyva]

I said in  my post : " I wrote only one verse of many verses mentioned human's stages in wombs "
If you want to read more about this truth : " human creation between science and Quran  "

http://www.quranandscience.com/human/86 ... ce-27.html

thanks

Thanks for the link somelight, very interesting.
Listen, I respect your right to follow whatever religion suits you and I don't want to seem disrespectful, but I also don't agree with you.  
 Genesis 38:9 mentions that a guy named Onan "spilled his seed on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother",  so obviously people already knew that semen was necessary for creating babies before the Quran was written.

Also, as far back as the 2nd century there was a Greek doctor named Claudius Galenus, he was born in what is now Turkey. His theories in medicine were studied for over a thousand years and he knew in the 2nd century that there were at least 4 stages of embryonic development.
1. unformed white conceptus like semen
2. a bloody vascularised foetus
3. other features mapped out but not fully formed
4.all the organs are formed and joints freely movable
 I'm almost sure that over the 500 years between his death and Muhammad's birth word of his discoveries got around.

The Quran says that a baby is created from the man's nuftah (semen) and then becomes a alaqa (clot) but it doesn't mention the egg at all. If Muhammad knew how babies were formed in the uterus why didn't he mention the egg?

Anyone who spends enough time around animals and butchering animals for food, has ample opportunity to see the embryonic stages of development in the uterus's of the animals that they are butchering. It's not a far stretch to assume that the same is true of humans.

I'm not dogging your prophet, somelightplz, I'm just saying that because of the above reasons, I don't buy it.

[some light plz]

Until now even when you became an atheist , unable to get out from the circle of Bible …
more than once " the writers of the bible lied about God and prophets "

my friends , I will show you something different above your imagination .

my regard

isnt that what the Quran is based on? the old testament? the first book of the god of abraham?

Islam is the oldest religion on earth , it appeared  before Jewish and Christianity for many reasons  :
1- prophet Abraham was not a Jew or a Christian .

2-the covenant between Allah and prophet Abraham has 2conditions :
( a ) : Abraham and his sons should Guide people to worship one god only .
( b ) : Allah will make people bless prophet Abraham for ever .

3- the covenant has been broken more than once by the hand of Jews by killing many prophets or rejecting the messengers of Allah or hiding the truth  but not by the hands prophets [ prophets were not sinners ]  , until the time of prophet Jesus who came for preaching about the New kingdom of God which is [ Islam ] and the new nation [ Sons of prophet Ishmael ]  which going to take the Responsibility  to spread the message of Allah   when he said in Mat 21 : 43-44 : ((Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. ))  .

4- Islam declared itself clearly  through many verses : Not a Jew or a Christian but a follower of Abraham  in Surah 2 : ((135. They say: "Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation)." Say thou: "Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah." )) The inspiration comes at this verse very clearly to follow the Law of prophet Abraham peace be upon him in Surah 16 : ((123. So We have taught thee the inspired (Message), "Follow the ways of Abraham the True in Faith, and he joined not gods with Allah.))

5- Muslims are keeping the covenant , also we bless prophet Abraham and his sons in our prayers more than 15 times per day . we perform Hajj as he did , we sacrifices sheep as he did . all things that have been done by prophet Abraham we do .

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one of the faith pillars : a Muslim must  believe that all  holy books  which have been  mentioned in the holy Quran  are an inspiration from Allah to his messengers . the holy Books : [ Torah , gospel , Psalms , the Books of Abraham  ] .

((285. The Messenger believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in Allah, His angels, His books, and His apostles. "We make no distinction (they say) between one and another of His apostles." And they say: "We hear, and we obey: (We seek) Thy forgiveness, our Lord, and to Thee is the end of all journeys." )) .
Also these books were lights and guide for humankind  , but the Jews changed the word of Allah , [ they lied about Allah , they lied about prophets ,  also they hid the truth ] . by adding or deleted anything  they want
In Surah 2 : ((79. Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from Allah," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby. ))

1- Lied about Allah : they described him with an ugly depictions . until they reach that Jesus is God , the whole glory for Allah .  he is not like this .

2- Lied about prophets : they accused all prophets that they were  sinners . in it also accusing  Allah that he is unable to choose a good person for his  message .

3- Adding and deleting : therefore you will find these books full with mistakes and contradictions .

4- They hid the truth : Allah commanded them to reveal the message for humankind but they did the opposite of that , therefore you will find a many prophets have been sent to them to return them to the truth , and each time they refuse . in Isaiah chapter 59 .  

The Holy Quran is different than these books, in telling about : " Allah , religion , prophets ,  science and knowledge "
 
My regard .. and sorry for my long posts .. but I had to explain