Evidence of God's existence

[Whitney]

In fact, according to science, life is only possible, based on carbon chemistry. Silicon is not a possible alternative. It is however very unlikely, Carbon to be formed in space by chance.

This is not true, we simply do not know of any silicon based life at this time.  It is, however, a possibility.

. Life as we know it would be impossible if any one of several physical quantities had slightly different values.
Although Weinberg is a self-described agnostic, he cannot but be astounded by the extent of the fine-tuning.

The short and sweet response is...of course the universe looks fine tuned, we evolved to fit it!

The problems with your interpretation of of Weinberg's data was already discussed here at HAF:  viewtopic.php?f=43&t=3820&p=49278&hilit=Weinberg#p49278

Here is a thread from ATT in which I participated which directly discusses this subject:  http://www.atheistthinktank.net/thinkta ... pic=7891.0

[curiosityandthecat]

[Mark L Holland]

God or Gods exist only where proofs and evidence of their existence is given.  If God or Gods actually exist then God or Gods should have no problem in providing proofs and evidence that they actually exist.  Any evidence or proofs to the existence of God or Gods that come from a second hand source is invalid, since the God or Gods who gave evidence or proofs of their existence to an individual did not provide proofs or evidence universally.

  And since the bible has been proven to contain lies, the bible has been invalidated as divinely inspired or as being the infallible truth of an infallible God.

[G-Roll]

how are you so sure about it ?

 â€œModern Israeli archeologists now know for certain that Moses never parted the Red Sea and never divinely received the Ten Commandments. Why? Because Moses never existed.  In fact, the ancient Hebrews were never enslaved in Egypt, and there was never any mass “exodus.”
The recently discovered truth is that Israeli Hebrew culture arose locally from nomadic shepherds and goatherds around 1200 BC. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joshua, and even Moses were merely myths created for a very ancient time when Israeli Hebrew culture did not yet exist. Apparently they were created to justify command of the land. Military conquest was then the accepted local standard for ownership in the Middle East, and if the military conquest was at the command of God.”
You can find/read all about this in The Bible Unearthed, by Israel Finkelstein and Neil Silberman. Who sought out academically to study the Old Testament and Israeli Hebrew culture.

Also There is tons of both external and internal evidence that immensely popular verse of John 7:53-8:11 “let him cast the first stone was “inserted or snuck into the bible.”
So, Moses wasn’t real, never received the 10 commandments, the book of Exodus is untrue, the book of Genesis is untrue or at least unreliable,  and how much of the new testament is just “inserted latter on?” And this book full of non since is the sole source of faith other than an “emotional connection.”

why do you think so?

Because god does not take part in ANYONES life. To state that god is a supreme being and can do whatever he wants needs to explain; why was Jesus crucified if god can do whatever he wants? Why is sin even in existence? Why does revelation have to happen the way it is written, why not just smite the devil and be done with it? Why is there a need to have no evidence for a supreme all powerful creator ect…ect…

How are you sure the God of the bible cannot be experienced ? Even yesterday, at the service at my church, a prophet of the church saw a young men attending, and said : Today God freed you to be killed, and only a few days ago, you were close to be arrested. The young men went to the pulpit, and accepted Jesus Christ as his lord and saviour. He admitted he was a trafficker. I can tell you many wonders, God is doing today. God can be experienced, today.

Cops are good at getting confessions too. Are they divine? I emotionally experienced the movie P.S. I Love You. Cried like a bitch (I can’t believe Im admitting this on the internet.) An emotional experience is just that. Its not evidence for an existence of any kind of god.

[Mark L Holland]

The mistake that you make is that you interpret individual and personal proofs as being universal proofs and evidence.  It is not, I am a theist because I was given the proofs and evidence I needed to believe in a God, but these are personal and individual proofs and evidence.  They are valid only as far as the individual is concerned.  Personal and individual proofs and evidence cannot be used to establish the existence of a God beyond the individual that the proofs and evidence was given to.

  The proof and evidence that was given to me so that I might believe in a God, is valid only to me.  It is not valid to any other person.  You can give testimony from now until doomsday and this means nothing.  If God or Gods can give proofs and evidence to me or you then they can give evidence and proofs to all others.  The fact that they do not proves that they are not universal Gods wanting universal followers.  All it means is that these Gods want selected followers and are not interested in those that they do not give evidence or proofs to.

  Only God or Gods can give evidence or proofs of their existence, you cannot nor can I give proof or evidence of these Gods beyond the personal level, but you are a Christian and feel the need to cram your God no matter how false down every ones else’ have you ever considered following another God, it seems you guys were scraping the bottom of a polluted and corrupted barrel when you came up with your God.  There has to be hundreds of better choices to pick from besides a God who would rape a 13 year old virgin.
 

[G-Roll]

The mistake that you make is that you interpret individual and personal proofs as being universal proofs and evidence

Is that not the xian claim? That there god is universal?

It is not, I am a theist because I was given the proofs and evidence I needed to believe in a God, but these are personal and individual proofs and evidence. They are valid only as far as the individual is concerned. Personal and individual proofs and evidence cannot be used to establish the existence of a God beyond the individual that the proofs and evidence was given to.

Fair enough I suppose. Just as no god exist for me individually because of a lack of individual proof and evidence.

The fact that they do not proves that they are not universal Gods wanting universal followers. All it means is that these Gods want selected followers and are not interested in those that they do not give evidence or proofs to.

They sound so picky

but you are a Christian and feel the need to cram your God no matter how false down every ones else

What I basically said in my other post to the OPer

it seems you guys were scraping the bottom of a polluted and corrupted barrel when you came up with your God. There has to be hundreds of better choices to pick from besides a God who would rape a 13 year old virgin.

I would imagine its kinda hard to copy and paste prophecies and come up with something good.

[Mark L Holland]

To  G-Roll

  I have no intentions of arguing God with an Atheist.  For Atheists God nor Gods exist, I grant this with open arms.  I argue with Christians there is no point whatsoever for me to argue with an Atheist.  Your right God nor Gods exist, simple where no evidence or proofs exist to prove God or Gods exist then no God or Gods can exist.  Now please let me play with the Christian fundamentalists and evangelicals.  It is them that I wish to debate.

  As I have stated in the American Atheist blog consider me the theist attack dog.  My purpose in life is to attack the Theist Christian views and to discredit and invalidate them.  I cannot attack or argue with Atheist views for Atheist views are correct.  So please let me do as my God wants me to do and that is to tear the Christian religion down to it’s lying and deceiving foundation and invalidate all of it’s claims to righteousness, and God given authority and power.  That is what I do and do well.  

I cannot fight Atheists, they are right.  So please let me have my little pleasures of attacking the hell out of the Christian beliefs and doctrines.  Please pretty please.
 

[G-Roll]

So please let me do as my God wants me to do and that is to tear the Christian religion down to it’s lying and deceiving foundation and invalidate all of it’s claims to righteousness, and God given authority and power.

i like your god.

[Mark L Holland]

Yea thats one of the things that I like about him to.
 

[Renegnicat]

It's like those miserable psalms, they're so damned depressing...

[Mike M.]

About angel's response stating that morals must have been placed into our hearts by a god -- says who?  It is just as likely that, as a people, the human races conscience and subsequent morals were developed through evolution to preserve the human race.  If everyone thought that murder was a-okay, we wouldn't exist today.  Also, if morals were set in place by a god, why do some people seem to lack them?  Why would  a loving and merciful god choose to create a man with the power to decimate others' lives and feel no form of regret?  The answer would be that morals are a work of evolution, or maybe not evolution, but something other that allowed humans to develo conscience, and people that lack them are a negative mutation from the standard..

-Mike

[Ihateyoumike]

five [strike:1dqxpexk]good[/strike:1dqxpexk] reasons to think that God exists:

1. [strike:1dqxpexk]God makes sense of the origin of the universe.[/strike:1dqxpexk] I'm too lazy and unintelligent to bother to learn about the Universe. I simply cannot make sense of all this goddamn science. I'll stick with Goddidit to answer my questions.

2. [strike:1dqxpexk]God makes sense of the fine-tuning of the universe for intelligent life.[/strike:1dqxpexk] Well shit... Wouldn't ya know it?? I need air, water, and food to survive. They all just happen to be on Earth for me, and me alone!! Goddamn I must be special! Thanks again god!!

3. [strike:1dqxpexk]God makes sense of objective moral values in the world.[/strike:1dqxpexk] I'm too stupid to be able to tell right from wrong. I'm too stupid to know what is good for me and what is bad for me. I guess I'll let someone else tell me what to do. Goddamnit... not having to exercise any form of personal responsibility is the way to go!!

4. [strike:1dqxpexk]God makes sense of the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus.[/strike:1dqxpexk] I'm fuckin' scared to die. I really really don't want to die. Goddamn these stories of it being better and perfect after I die sure do put my incredibly small and pathetic mind at ease. It sure would suck if this life was all I got and I wasted it thinking for myself and trying to live it.

5. [strike:1dqxpexk]God can be immediately known and experienced.[/strike:1dqxpexk] I love LSD.

[Regens Küchl]

[G-Roll]

Then I have something for you  

Hi Folks, I am a famous Angelologist  I follow Angelo whereever he goes in the Internet and made a list of many forums wherein he evangelizes. Here it is  
And i wish you a happy new year, dear happy atheist forum  

so you are some kind of e-stalker? should i not feel creeped out? cause i do.....

[angelosergipe]

In fact, according to science, life is only possible, based on carbon chemistry. Silicon is not a possible alternative. It is however very unlikely, Carbon to be formed in space by chance.

This is not true, we simply do not know of any silicon based life at this time.  It is, however, a possibility.

http://elshamah.heavenforum.com/origin- ... s-t122.htm

 "Chemistry is one of the better understood areas of science. We know that you just can't get certain atoms to stick together in sufficient number and complexity to give you large molecules like carbon can. You can't get around it. And you just can't get other types of liquids to dissolve as many different kinds of chemicals as you can with water. There's something like half a dozen different properties of both water and carbon that are optimal for life. Nothing else comes close. Silicon falls far short of carbon.