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Started by LoneMateria, October 30, 2009, 04:33:26 PM

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LoneMateria

October 30, 2009, 04:33:26 PM
Can it be? No, apologists don't make shit up to defend their belief in a God.  Obviously there is evidence for God and these people just recorded the facts and are telling you the numbers right?  I mean what kind of a douche bag would make shit up to "prove" the existence of God?  Well this one does and see the response when he gets called out on it.

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forums/index.php?topic=10140.0

What this is, is a series of six e-mails between an apologist and an atheist which was edited for anonymity.  Watch how someone recorded the apologists lecture and when called out on his "facts" he plays a dodge the question game.  I wonder if all apologists do this?  Just blatantly make shit up, and call it scientifically proven facts.  What are your thoughts on this?
Quote from: "Richard Lederer"There once was a time when all people believed in God and the church ruled. This time was called the Dark Ages
Quote from: "Demosthenes"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true.
Quote from: "Oscar Wilde"Truth, in matters of religion, is simpl

Renegnicat

#1
October 31, 2009, 01:20:56 AM
L...O...L


*nuff said*  :drool
[size=135]The best thing to do is reflect, understand, apreciate, and consider.[/size]

LoneMateria

#2
October 31, 2009, 01:27:53 AM
It was great.  Why would you dodge these type of questions unless you are full of shit?  I mean give the source and let the guy verify it unless the source is your ass.  Can you imagine if that douche actually converted people there?  Converting people based on lies.
Quote from: "Richard Lederer"There once was a time when all people believed in God and the church ruled. This time was called the Dark Ages
Quote from: "Demosthenes"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true.
Quote from: "Oscar Wilde"Truth, in matters of religion, is simpl

Renegnicat

#3
October 31, 2009, 01:34:51 AM
I know! Oh, man, it was beautiful. He wasn't even that rude or anything. At first, though, I thought the professor wasn't too bad. But subsequent posts...

I wonder why the guy didn't call him out at the talk itself?
[size=135]The best thing to do is reflect, understand, apreciate, and consider.[/size]

LoneMateria

#4
October 31, 2009, 04:22:31 AM
He was rude ... well he was short and blunt.  I didn't think the apologist was that bad at first too.  But after about 2 paragraphs he started whining and dodging.  One part that really made me laugh was when the apologist was called out on his numbers.  He was using bad numbers and when called out on it he tried to play it off.  

Oh and it sounds like the guy did call him out at the talk afterwards and was ignored.  Thats why he wrote the e-mails.
Quote from: "Richard Lederer"There once was a time when all people believed in God and the church ruled. This time was called the Dark Ages
Quote from: "Demosthenes"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true.
Quote from: "Oscar Wilde"Truth, in matters of religion, is simpl

SSY

#5
October 31, 2009, 04:53:45 AM
It amazes me that people can support their beliefs with lies. I mean, surely, for this guy to go about evangelising about his god, he must have a strong belief, but if fabricating evidence to support it, he obviously is fully aware of what he is doing. I wonder how to reconciles the facts that

He believes in bible god
bible god says not to lie
there is insufficient evidence for bible god, which he then fabricates.

The whole process is madness, you are effectively admitting the inadequacy of your beliefs, while trying to convince others of how right you are. The level of cognitive dissonance must be sky high. As soon as I was lowered to making up facts in support of my beliefs, I would seriously start to question them. There must be something else driving his belief in god, since he knows the scientific evidence is shoddy, why cant he let his argument rest on those foundations instead of fallacious ones?
Quote from: "Godschild"SSY: You are fairly smart and to think I thought you were a few fries short of a happy meal.
Quote from: "Godschild"explain to them how and why you decided to be athiest and take the consequences that come along with it
Quote from: "Aedus"Unlike atheists, I'm not an angry prick

LoneMateria

#6
October 31, 2009, 01:28:07 PM
Quote from: "SSY"It amazes me that people can support their beliefs with lies. I mean, surely, for this guy to go about evangelising about his god, he must have a strong belief, but if fabricating evidence to support it, he obviously is fully aware of what he is doing. I wonder how to reconciles the facts that

He believes in bible god
bible god says not to lie
there is insufficient evidence for bible god, which he then fabricates.

The whole process is madness, you are effectively admitting the inadequacy of your beliefs, while trying to convince others of how right you are. The level of cognitive dissonance must be sky high. As soon as I was lowered to making up facts in support of my beliefs, I would seriously start to question them. There must be something else driving his belief in god, since he knows the scientific evidence is shoddy, why cant he let his argument rest on those foundations instead of fallacious ones?

If I had to guess I'd say the real reason why he doesn't tell people why he believes what he does is because the real reason either sounds unimpressive or is a very weak position to argue from.  Because my dad beat me when I expressed disbelief is not a good point to argue from at all lol
Quote from: "Richard Lederer"There once was a time when all people believed in God and the church ruled. This time was called the Dark Ages
Quote from: "Demosthenes"A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true.
Quote from: "Oscar Wilde"Truth, in matters of religion, is simpl

Ninteen45

#7
October 31, 2009, 02:47:37 PM
Doublethink. 'Nuff said.
Now I can be re-gognizod!

Sophus

#8
November 01, 2009, 05:57:33 PM
Tell me about it. Just look at Lee Strobel.   :brick:
‎"Christian doesn't necessarily just mean good. It just means better." - John Oliver

Carico

#9
November 02, 2009, 06:37:13 AM
QuoteIt amazes me that people can support their beliefs with lies.

Me too. I mean, making up stories about ape men that no one in history can document isn't even a good lie in the science fiction world.  roflol

Whitney

#11
November 02, 2009, 06:14:06 PM
Quote from: "Carico"
QuoteIt amazes me that people can support their beliefs with lies.

Me too. I mean, making up stories about ape men that no one in history can document isn't even a good lie in the science fiction world.  roflol

Agreed...people shouldn't fake evidence for big foot.  Now, learn how to stay on topic.

Sophus

#12
November 02, 2009, 08:51:09 PM
Quote from: "Carico"
QuoteIt amazes me that people can support their beliefs with lies.

Me too. I mean, making up stories about ape men that no one in history can document isn't even a good lie in the science fiction world.  :blush:
‎"Christian doesn't necessarily just mean good. It just means better." - John Oliver

Tom62

#13
November 02, 2009, 09:06:34 PM
Quote from: "Sophus"What on earth do you think Homo erectus is?
A guy with a stiffy  ;) ?
The universe never did make sense; I suspect it was built on government contract.
Robert A. Heinlein

Whitney

#14
November 02, 2009, 09:31:35 PM
Quote from: "Sophus"Sorry Whitney for being off topic. ;)
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