A Christian response to atheism

[saukhasi]

"Slavery is bad NO MATTER what it is."

- have you not been reading? Lae and Mike have and that is why they didn't just "realize" something now. Slavery is what I have previously posted. it's just that kind of work. Therefore, God has no reason to ban slavery - which was a way to survive. There WAS an agreement - the slave can choose to die right away or work for a living.

Masters can be very good to their slaves - which God teaches.
Masters can be very bad to their slaves - which God will punish one day.

So how is God evil?

[Whitney]

Slavery is what I have previously posted. it's just that kind of work.

I don't think anyone has agreed with your definition of slavery.  Nor have we agreed that only what appears to be indetured servitude is the type of slavery referred to in the bible.  Outright slavery occurs in the Bible, arguably no different than the enslavement of Africans (or is that okay too since some of the tribes sold people for beads?) by the Americans.  For the believer they have two options in approaching these verses, argue that it isn't slavery/isn't actually bad (an approach that won't get anyone brownie points in most circles) or argue that slavery in the bible is not the direct word of God but an example of what not to do.

[McQ]

saukhasi, how is slavery as a way to survive a good thing? Why would a good god allow it in any form?

And I have already elucidated my points individually in the other posts I've made, yet you continue to evade answering directly. You've answered two things directly. 1. You speak English as a second language, which is why I give you a lot of leeway in interpreting what I read from you. 2. You are not a Jehovah's Witness.

Other than that , you continue to evade direct posts to you. What are you so afraid of? I reposted everything, all in context, with your quotes and mine, so you wouldn't have to go searching for them.

I have not "ranted" at your writing ability. I have indicated twice that I allow for leeway in trying to interpret your words as a non-native English speaker/writer. That means that I am impressed that you can communicate in a foreign language. As far as being "sensitive" goes, I am simply responding to the following post of yours:

6. What have you come up with? Your main argument is simply that some Christians do take verses (of course, I take verses too â€" we add stuff to it, not single them and interpret them in a way that doesn’t fit the rest of the Bible) â€" which I have shown to be irrelevant. Unless your post mysteriously disappeared again - please do post again if you demand an answer.

In English, we call that sarcasm. In the context in which you put it, your words indicate lack of belief in my assertion that the post disappeared.

Now, as I said before, I don't really care if you personally believe me, but since you made the comment, I thought I'd follow it up.

I have read every post you've made, and tried to make sense of each one. I seriously doubt you have done the same. If so you wouldn't continue to answer with your vague posts that are tangental to what is being sent to you.

[saukhasi]

lae, you'll need to come up with evidence to find that slavery is anything other with bilical quotes to assert that the Bible says its otherwise. stop referring to africans - not to mention God never said it was okay it is also rude as a constant reminder.

[saukhasi]

i'm afraid of you - mcq. you are reading too much into things while writing virtually nothing. just what kind of questions have you raised? please enlighten me. go see if you can pick arguments out of your own posts.

[Whitney]

lae, you'll need to come up with evidence to find that slavery is anything other

Slave (slavery is the practice of owning slaves):
1.   a person who is the property of and wholly subject to another; a bond servant.
2.   a person entirely under the domination of some influence or person: a slave to a drug.
3.   a drudge: a housekeeping slave.
4.   a slave ant.
5.   Photography. a subsidiary flash lamp actuated through its photoelectric cell when the principal flash lamp is discharged.
6.   Machinery. a mechanism under control of and repeating the actions of a similar mechanism. Compare master (def. 19).
â€"verb (used without object)
7.   to work like a slave; drudge.
8.   to engage in the slave trade; procure, transport, or sell slaves.
â€"verb (used with object)
9.   to connect (a machine) to a master as its slave.
10.   Archaic. to enslave.

[Origin: 1250â€"1300; ME sclave < ML sclāvus (masc.), sclāva (fem.) slave, special use of Sclāvus Slav, so called because Slavs were commonly enslaved in the early Middle Ages; see Slav]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/slave


Is the common usage of the word good enough for you?  I'm sticking with the dictionary.

with bilical quotes to assert that the Bible says its otherwise.

Plenty of those have been provided throughout this thread.  Specifically that which describes how it is okay to beat a slave under specific conditions.

stop referring to africans

I found it relevant.

not to mention God never said it was okay

So God didn't inspire the Bible?  Or are you saying that since the Bible doesn't specifically mention Africans that there was no condoning of that specific instance of slavery even though it was used as a basis for the practice?

it is also rude as a constant reminder.

Maybe you need to be remided about how bad slavery is and that recent forms of slavery weren't much different from that written about in Biblical times.

[Big Mac]

Hell recent slavery is pretty bad, possibly even worse. Imagine being chaine to a table and at gunpoint made to make sneakers. They don't call them sweatshops for nothing.

Evil prevails when Good men fail to act. God is good, right? God ignores the plight of many enslaved, so therefore God performs evil through compliance and condonement. Your God, if he exists (which I doubt and am 99.9% sure he doesn't), is cruel and sadistic and evil.

[Big Mac]

i'm afraid of you - mcq. you are reading too much into things while writing virtually nothing. just what kind of questions have you raised? please enlighten me. go see if you can pick arguments out of your own posts.

That's good, Ms. Ostrich, bury your head in the sand and go "LALALALALLALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

You are....a fucking moron....

[saukhasi]

”Is the common usage of the word good enough for you? I'm sticking with the dictionary. “

And just where in the dictionary does it suggest slaves must be treated horribly all the time? Is that supposed to be some kind of evidence?

[Whitney]

Did I say they had to be treated horribly "at all times"...no, i didn't.

Know what...I give up, you are impossible to discuss with and I doubt we'd find common ground if we continued this discussion for a life time.

[McQ]

i'm afraid of you - mcq. you are reading too much into things while writing virtually nothing. just what kind of questions have you raised? please enlighten me. go see if you can pick arguments out of your own posts.

Ok, I thought you were just a troll. Now know what your issue is: you're certifiable. That means "insane" in English. I couldn't have been clearer, and you couldn't possibly obfuscate any more than you are doing. Do your own reading. I already pointed out what I needed to, virtually line by line.....TWICE.

I'm in TOTAL agreement with Big Mac on you.

"That's good, Ms. Ostrich, bury your head in the sand and go "LALALALALLALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU!"

You are....a fucking moron...."

You are a moronic, crazy, troll. And you are one of the very saddest examples of a christian I have ever seen. If I were you, I wouldn't tell my friends about this embarrassing episode.

[Big Mac]

She'll see it as a badge of honor that she talked with heathens and "won".

[saukhasi]

mcQ and big m- actually any logical person who reads this will see that you are the ones who have repeatedly failed to read and provide supported arguments. And my friends are logical. So good day.

[saukhasi]

lae- how does the dictionary definition support that slavery is evil? if not, how does God not banning it support that He is evil?

we had a pretty good discussion until you decided to agree with Big M -whose claims are extremely difficult to hold.

[Big Mac]

Hit a nerve there? I'm sure your "logical" friends will  be just as smart as you. God bans murder, though he commits it, why not slavery? Why don't you go and try to purchase some slaves then.

Go to hell basically, you are too stupid. I don't know whether to laugh or cry. We have provided, VERBATIM, what the Bible says immorally about certain subjects.