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Vocaloldfart

Quote from: Recusant on December 28, 2023, 07:44:15 PMForcing some advance in medicine is the only good thing that this bug has brought, as far as I can tell. Not enough to make up for the damage it's done.  :(

The bug is relatively benign, the vaccine however......
It matters not how strait the gate,
      How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate,
      I am the captain of my soul.
Excerpt from INVICTUS By William Ernest Henley

Dark Lightning

That statement is contrary to reality.

Recusant

Quote from: Vocaloldfart on June 21, 2025, 12:01:57 PM
Quote from: Recusant on December 28, 2023, 07:44:15 PMForcing some advance in medicine is the only good thing that this bug has brought, as far as I can tell. Not enough to make up for the damage it's done.  :(

The bug is relatively benign, the vaccine however......

Citations needed.
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration — courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and above all, love of the truth."
— H. L. Mencken


Vocaloldfart

Quote from: Recusant on June 21, 2025, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: Vocaloldfart on June 21, 2025, 12:01:57 PM
Quote from: Recusant on December 28, 2023, 07:44:15 PMForcing some advance in medicine is the only good thing that this bug has brought, as far as I can tell. Not enough to make up for the damage it's done.  :(

The bug is relatively benign, the vaccine however......

Citations needed.
My comment was there to for thought and contemplation.
I have researched medicine since 1983 and have formed my opinion based on my research and training.
I have my opinion, I ask all to do their research and come to a position and then debate openly.
If you need to be spoon fed by citations, you miss the point.
Sure I can supply any amount of citations (10Tb of books, journals and research papers) but they are, as gathered, mine and biased toward my present opinion.






It matters not how strait the gate,
      How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate,
      I am the captain of my soul.
Excerpt from INVICTUS By William Ernest Henley

Recusant

Quote from: Vocaloldfart on June 22, 2025, 08:19:47 AM
Quote from: Recusant on June 21, 2025, 02:47:18 PM
Quote from: Vocaloldfart on June 21, 2025, 12:01:57 PM
Quote from: Recusant on December 28, 2023, 07:44:15 PMForcing some advance in medicine is the only good thing that this bug has brought, as far as I can tell. Not enough to make up for the damage it's done.  :(

The bug is relatively benign, the vaccine however......

Citations needed.

[spoiler=Bluff and bluster]My comment was there to for thought and contemplation.
I have researched medicine since 1983 and have formed my opinion based on my research and training.
I have my opinion, I ask all to do their research and come to a position and then debate openly.
If you need to be spoon fed by citations, you miss the point.
Sure I can supply any amount of citations (10Tb of books, journals and research papers) but they are, as gathered, mine and biased toward my present opinion.[/spoiler]

That's what I thought.
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration — courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and above all, love of the truth."
— H. L. Mencken


Asmodean

Quote from: Vocaloldfart on June 22, 2025, 08:19:47 AMMy comment was there to for thought and contemplation.
Don't want it? Don't take it. You'd be doing a disservice to the immunocompromised and a few other-such groups, but ultimately, acting in your own perceived self-interest is a privilege you likely have, even if it may come with some social caveats.

What's there to contemplate?

QuoteI have researched medicine since 1983 and have formed my opinion based on my research and training.
In which case you would have some receipts to show, yes?

QuoteI have my opinion, I ask all to do their research and come to a position and then debate openly.
Fine. Vaccines good. They help humans develop partial to full immunities to otherwise potentially debilitating or deadly diseases by introducing weakened/fractured/otherwise modified virions into the host body and thereby "training" the immune system to recognise and deal with the threat when it is not actually that threatening.

QuoteIf you need to be spoon fed by citations, you miss the point.
Sure I can supply any amount of citations (10Tb of books, journals and research papers) but they are, as gathered, mine and biased toward my present opinion.
That sounds like you've formed an opinion and cherry-picked fitting evidence to support it, thus invalidating your body of research in the first place.

Quality research is one based on the evidence wherever it may take you. It's not subject to belief or bias, but it is subject to statistics.

for instance, it doesn't matter one bit if "I" believe that Mercury :rant: (tm) in this vaccine or that causes Autism :rant: (tm), because "I've" "seen perfectly normal kids go all autistic literal minutes after getting jabbed." What matters is the test parameters. Is it repeatable? Has it been successfully repeated? What was the sample size? Was it a (double-) blind study? Does correlation equal causation?
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

hermes2015

His type of "research" usually means watching YouTube videos.
"Eventually everything connects - people, ideas, objects. The quality of the connections is the key to quality per se."
― Charles Eames

Asmodean

Well... It may go a layer or two deeper than that, but I do suspect said research to have consisted of "listening and believing" some talking heads.

A lot of people do it that way, but then skeptics worth the name really are rather few and far between.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Recusant

#428
I give Vocaloldfart more credit than that as well, but per Asmodean it raises questions if you're unable or unwilling to "show the receipts."
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration — courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and above all, love of the truth."
— H. L. Mencken