Which Statement Do You Not Agree With

[perspective]

1) Do Not be jealous of someone else and be envious.

2) Honor the people who gave you life and raised you. (parents)

3) do not resist those who seek you harm, but give them more then they demand and love them.

4) Be humble and do not seek anything for selfish reasons.

5) be submissive to the authorites that are over you (government, boses, etc.) except when it contridicts good morals.

6) Consider others above yourself.

7) take care of the homeless, poor, and destitude people of this world.

be faithful to the one you claim to love (wife, husband) and manifest that love in bearing children (pro-creation)

9) Do not cease in doing good.

10) a sumation of the ten commandments (do not steal, murder, etc.)

Please list the statements that you don't agree with and why. I really want to know what parts of Christianity you can't agree with.

[Ninteen45]

You are listing all the good ones, what about the Homosexuality is bad, or that one about the bull attacking a slave?

[Whitney]

How about the part where God sacrificed himself to himself to save us from an unfair rule that he created.  I say unfair because it is no way just to make others suffer for the screw up of two people.  It's also not just to have eternal punishment for finite wrongdoings.

The list you provided is not one you'd necessarily have to be a Christian to accept.

[BuckeyeInNC]

I really want to know what parts of Christianity you can't agree with.

Posting your version of the ten commandments and then asking us that question is a bit like asking "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

The "ten" commandments with which you are likely referring to as being "Christian" were adopted from prior non-Christian religions.

Ever read the Egyptian Book of the Dead?

[perspective]

Actually most of what I posted came from the mouth of Jesus, not the ten commandments. Further, I am not talking about Jewish law so your arguments from the Old Testament are void. I am talking about the way Christains are commanded to live. (period) In what ways are Christians supposed to live don't agree with. Also, I think I did mention homosexuality when I mentioned loving you spouse and pro-creating, can't do that with the same sex. I am solely talking about the living out of the Christian life by being humble and loving. What do you find so offending about that?

[perspective]

Ohh and when did self sacrifice for the love of others who could not help themselves become a bad thing. I think thats what humnas what the most since it is so prevalent in our culture (i.e. every hero movie to exist, which become the highest grossing movies in Hollywood.) I think that tells something about what speaks to the heart. Why do hate God for doing it, but love Christian Bale.(maybe its the cape) Dont be so hypocritical.

[curiosityandthecat]

I disagree with whatever part prevents me from sacrificing children and raping nuns. Damn Christians tryin' to take away all my fun.  

[BuckeyeInNC]

Point taken.  I thought you were implying that the list of principles that your provided were solely Christian in origin.

Personally, I am not offended at all by Christianity.  People believe alot of weird things, UFOs, the moon landing was fake, the Bible, etc. and it does not affect me.

What I DO find offensive is when the religious impose their views on others and when those in political power over me take irrational positions based upon their wacky religious beliefs.

[Will]

2) Honor the people who gave you life and raised you. (parents)
Yes, but within reason. If my dad asks me to take out the trash, I'll take out the trash, but it he hits me, I'm not going to turn the other cheek. I'll call the police. It's all a part of the social contract, you see. If you are treated well by someone, you're more likely to return that good behavior. Raising me, clothing me, feeding me were all acts of selfless kindness (reinforced by innate survival instincts) on the part of my parents, therefore I should return that respect and kindness. If I had bad parents, though, I'd be under no obligation to treat them well and with nothing but kindness.
3) do not resist those who seek you harm, but give them more then they demand and love them.
Again, this is a bit absolutist. If someone attacks me, I will defend myself within reason.
4) Be humble and do not seek anything for selfish reasons.
Selfishness is a part of being human, just as altruism is a part of being human. We seek to survive on an individual level just as empathy helps us survive on a species level.
5) be submissive to the authorites that are over you (government, boses, etc.) except when it contridicts good morals.
This is the same as #1.
6) Consider others above yourself.
Sure, evolutionary altruism seems to support this to a point, but eventually sevring others can become unhealthy. It can become codependence.
7) take care of the homeless, poor, and destitude people of this world.
Yes.
be faithful to the one you claim to love (wife, husband) and manifest that love in bearing children (pro-creation)
Claim?
9) Do not cease in doing good.
Good is pretty subjective. What is good to you may not necessarily be good to me.
10) a sumation of the ten commandments (do not steal, murder, etc.)
I disagree with the first three outright. I have no gods whatsoever, therefore I cannot hold the Judeo-Christian god before anything else. I do swear occasionally, although it's more of a reflex. I certainly don't observe the Sabbath. I work when work needs doing. The only commandment I happen to observe absolutely is the fifth. I will not murder regardless of circumstances because of my own, subjective belief that human life is very important, certainly more important than any belief or ideology (I'm speaking in general terms). Each of the othersâ€"obey authority, don't commit adultery, don't steal, don't lie, don't covetâ€"can fall into moral gray areas, especially when given their appropriate religious context. Adultery according to the Bible is simply thinking of someone in a sexual manner. I do that, you do that, the whole species does that, and there's nothing at all wrong with it. Don't steal? Our way of life rests squarely on exploitation of workers from third world countries, which I see as egregious theft. Don't lie? Sure, under most circumstances, but what happens when the consequences of a lie are better than the truth? Don't covet? There's nothing wrong with weighing your wants. I'd like to fix my garage so that it's similar to a garage of a friend of mine, because my friend's garage is a lot more functional than mine.

Actually most of what I posted came from the mouth of Jesus, not the ten commandments. Further, I am not talking about Jewish law so your arguments from the Old Testament are void. I am talking about the way Christains are commanded to live. (period) In what ways are Christians supposed to live don't agree with. Also, I think I did mention homosexuality when I mentioned loving you spouse and pro-creating, can't do that with the same sex. I am solely talking about the living out of the Christian life by being humble and loving. What do you find so offending about that?

So you don't believe that Jesus was referencing the ten commandments? Also, didn't Jesus say,

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

That clearly says that the "jewish law" of the old testament isn't void. According to the Jesus of the Bible, all of OT law is still in place and you have to follow it.

Would you be offended if you couldn't conceive children and I forced you to divorce your spouse? Because by your logic, that procreating is a part of marriage, that would mean anyone unwilling or unable to have children shouldn't be able to get married. Moreover, within the next few years, lesbians will likely be able to reproduce. So heterosexual people unable to conceive can't get married, but lesbians can.

[Whitney]

Ohh and when did self sacrifice for the love of others who could not help themselves become a bad thing. I think thats what humnas what the most since it is so prevalent in our culture (i.e. every hero movie to exist, which become the highest grossing movies in Hollywood.) I think that tells something about what speaks to the heart. Why do hate God for doing it, but love Christian Bale.(maybe its the cape) Dont be so hypocritical.

Perspective...you need to rethink your tone because you are not being civil towards the nonbelievers on this forum.  You have already force fed us our own thoughts more than once in this thread.

No one said that self sacrifice is bad.  No one said that they hate God (you can't hate what you don't believe is real).

[Sophus]

First of all, keep in mind Christianity does not own these morals. They are in no way exclusive to members of your faith. Second I agree with none as I am an Ethical Nihilist.

[joeactor]

1) I try not to be jealous, but it happens.  It's a normal human emotion.

2) I honored my parents.  But would not hesitate to tell a child in an abusive household to get out.  Not all parents are good for their children.

3) Sometimes - I believe in defending myself against harm from others.

4) Again, I try to be humble, but taking pride in one's self and work is also normal.

5) Nope.  I'm not the submissive type.  We are the government.  We are the company.  I think for myself.

6) Without self, I cannot do anything for others.

7) Yes. The less fortunate should be cared for.

Faithful to wife? Yes.  Children? No thank you.  No need to procreate.  Plenty to go around.

9) I do good, but it may not be the same as your definition.

10) Which 10 commandments?  There are three sets, you know.

I will say this: I've never broken the 10th commandment.  Yuppers.  Never seethed a kid in it's mothers milk.

No goat boiling for me,
JoeActor

[perspective]

2) Honor the people who gave you life and raised you. (parents)
Yes, but within reason. If my dad asks me to take out the trash, I'll take out the trash, but it he hits me, I'm not going to turn the other cheek. I'll call the police. It's all a part of the social contract, you see. If you are treated well by someone, you're more likely to return that good behavior. Raising me, clothing me, feeding me were all acts of selfless kindness (reinforced by innate survival instincts) on the part of my parents, therefore I should return that respect and kindness. If I had bad parents, though, I'd be under no obligation to treat them well and with nothing but kindness.
3) do not resist those who seek you harm, but give them more then they demand and love them.
Again, this is a bit absolutist. If someone attacks me, I will defend myself within reason.
4) Be humble and do not seek anything for selfish reasons.
Selfishness is a part of being human, just as altruism is a part of being human. We seek to survive on an individual level just as empathy helps us survive on a species level.
5) be submissive to the authorites that are over you (government, boses, etc.) except when it contridicts good morals.
This is the same as #1.
6) Consider others above yourself.
Sure, evolutionary altruism seems to support this to a point, but eventually sevring others can become unhealthy. It can become codependence.
7) take care of the homeless, poor, and destitude people of this world.
Yes.
be faithful to the one you claim to love (wife, husband) and manifest that love in bearing children (pro-creation)
Claim?
9) Do not cease in doing good.
Good is pretty subjective. What is good to you may not necessarily be good to me.
10) a sumation of the ten commandments (do not steal, murder, etc.)
I disagree with the first three outright. I have no gods whatsoever, therefore I cannot hold the Judeo-Christian god before anything else. I do swear occasionally, although it's more of a reflex. I certainly don't observe the Sabbath. I work when work needs doing. The only commandment I happen to observe absolutely is the fifth. I will not murder regardless of circumstances because of my own, subjective belief that human life is very important, certainly more important than any belief or ideology (I'm speaking in general terms). Each of the othersâ€"obey authority, don't commit adultery, don't steal, don't lie, don't covetâ€"can fall into moral gray areas, especially when given their appropriate religious context. Adultery according to the Bible is simply thinking of someone in a sexual manner. I do that, you do that, the whole species does that, and there's nothing at all wrong with it. Don't steal? Our way of life rests squarely on exploitation of workers from third world countries, which I see as egregious theft. Don't lie? Sure, under most circumstances, but what happens when the consequences of a lie are better than the truth? Don't covet? There's nothing wrong with weighing your wants. I'd like to fix my garage so that it's similar to a garage of a friend of mine, because my friend's garage is a lot more functional than mine.
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Very good response. For 1, 2 you are confusing obedience with respect. Common respect for anyone no mater what they have or have not done is the underlying concept Especially to those that gave you life. Also, I am not saying let someone beat you up without defending yourself. for 6 there is not the implication of serving others to the detriment of self. For 8 I mean that if you really love someone you will not desire another. For 9 common since lets you know what good is and for the Christain good as it is described in the Bible. and Finally my favorite 10 to which you quoted Scripture. Jesus indeed said those words. But happily he was the one that "till all be fullfilled" is talking about. He meet the requirements of the law so yes I can say that the Jewish law does not apply. By the way Im not preaching, you brought up the quote so I was just explaining it. Finally, the sole purpose of marriage is not procreation, so I would not be offened if I could not have children. So your last paragraph does not apply. Actually, If the government says that homosexual people can be legally recognized as married then I would not fight it. I do have a problem with homosexuals wanting to get "married" (a religious term and a religious ceromony) in a church (a religious place). Why should the church be forced to something, the same as you claim that Christians are trying to force others. That is hypocritical. If they want to be civily united (sanctioned by the secular government) Then I support it 100%

[perspective]

Ohh and when did self sacrifice for the love of others who could not help themselves become a bad thing. I think thats what humnas what the most since it is so prevalent in our culture (i.e. every hero movie to exist, which become the highest grossing movies in Hollywood.) I think that tells something about what speaks to the heart. Why do hate God for doing it, but love Christian Bale.(maybe its the cape) Dont be so hypocritical.

Perspective...you need to rethink your tone because you are not being civil towards the nonbelievers on this forum.  You have already force fed us our own thoughts more than once in this thread.

No one said that self sacrifice is bad.  No one said that they hate God (you can't hate what you don't believe is real).

Ok I used "hate" when you used "unfair" I appologize. Why do you think it is "unfair" for God to do something, but its "fair" for others. I hope this clears my previous statement.

[perspective]

First of all, keep in mind Christianity does not own these morals. They are in no way exclusive to members of your faith. Second I agree with none as I am an Ethical Nihilist.

I never said these tenants were exclusively Christian, But they certainly are distinctivly Christian and Originally Christian. Further, it is most illogical to be a nihilist. <--- Defend this claim.