Why God does or does not exist

[Godschild]

McQ: You could be a comedian if you were funny.

[curiosityandthecat]

Godschild:


...replies as separate posts. Wtf.

[Godschild]

PipeBox:I'm sorry I came across as a self righteous fool.I really did not mean to.I came to Christ because of the fear of hel land many come to Christ because of all kinds of weakness.Actually that is what God wants,for us to see our need for Him in our lives.Yes Christ is a huge crutch and I'm glad I have Him to lean on,without Him I would still be in bad shape.I'm not a perfect christian not even close and would never pretend to be.Great numbers of christians studies Gods word,prays more,loves more,work harder ect. than I ever will.You and your two friends christian friends are right,we have nothing to offer God,thats why when we see christians doing good things we know God is working in their lives.I'm a christian only because of the grace of God that comes to me through my belief in Christ as the only way to salvation.Yes I do have desires for myselfand they keep me from knowing God as well as I would like,I'm human,and there is only one desire I need and that's my desire for God and to know Him in deeper and more wounderful ways.I doubt that I'm the christian your friends are,but if you were the christian you believe you werewouldn't you still believe? Please take note of what I wrote,that some people use the church as a crutchand it's true I've seen it,I've done it,and I'm ashamed of it,but never would I put myself above true believers in Christ,because by grace I have been saved not by works,I have been called to serve.Again sorry that I came across as a self righteous fool.I do find it a bit weird that an atheist would defend his christian friends belief when he makes fun of that same belief in others.Sure you've stop believing?No need to answer any questions unless you just want to,I just wanted to try and clear things up.

     Love to all in Christ Jesus

[PipeBox]

if you were the christian you believe you werewouldn't you still believe?

I had a few realizations that changed me.  It doesn't mean every aspect of my Christianity just fell off.  I still know what it was like, and what I believed.  Turns out my faith didn't reason as well as I had hoped, and I was willing to inspect it.  That's what it took, no more, no less.  If the idea of God is beyond reproach then you'll never be able to know if you're mislead.  I wager believers in Allah have the same conviction, that their beliefs should be beyond such inspection.  Anyway, I looked for a little more than my gut instinct, the opinion of my friends, and the Bible's endorsement, and I found nothing else I could say belonged to the Christian God.  And then I found I couldn't really say that about the Bible, my friends, or my gut, either.  And that's all my belief was based on, other than hope.  But I still know my bits of the Bible, and I still know my old Christian ways.  I just don't believe they are part of God's one revealed truth.

I do find it a bit weird that an atheist would defend his christian friends belief when he makes fun of that same belief in others.Sure you've stop believing?

I don't make fun of that specific belief in anyone.  It was my old belief.  I might attack it.  It's wrong for its own reasons, based on false premises, but Christians don't normally take those seriously.  This is an argument they're willing to hear.  It presupposes God, and allows, unquestioningly, the existence of evil, and allows God to not deal with it directly, but it deals in the very Christian philosophy of man needing to be better, and God being his salvation, God being perfectly benevolent and being willing to redeem us, and us having nothing to offer in return.  In this light, it is a very Christian reason to get you to stop throwing around the No True Scotsman Fallacy.  You can relate with it.  And yes, I am slightly attached to my old Christian philosophy.  I can endorse its reasoning even though it is based on a flawed premise.  I doubt we here can convince you that God is as likely to exist as Vishnu.  But maybe you'll walk away with a better understanding of your faith and us.  And in that light I felt it had to be said.

[Godschild]

PipeBox: Thank you for sharing your beliefs and feelings that means alot to me and I take it your not mad at me I never intended to make anyone mad. I will defend what I believe and will never back down. I know that I'm not the smartest egg in the basket ,I do read and study about the christian faith and I do question some of the things  that I'm taught. My pastor ask us to question things we are taught,even his teachings of scripture if we think it could be wrong and I have. I do this so that I might know what I believe. I have a hard time understanding how others do not believe that there is a standard of rightness. Without that standard we would have people out of control and may I suggest that is why this country finds itself in the state it is. We can see the standard that man has set is not working. There has to be one standard of rightness that is solid,dependable,just,fair and ect.and I believe that standard must be God.I have come to a greater understanding of what I believe and who I am from being a part of this forum.Again thanks for your reply.

Love to all in Christ Jesus

[curiosityandthecat]

I have a hard time understanding how others do not believe that there is a standard of rightness. Without that standard we would have people out of control and may I suggest that is why this country finds itself in the state it is. We can see the standard that man has set is not working. There has to be one standard of rightness that is solid,dependable,just,fair and ect.and I believe that standard must be God.

[McQ]

McQ: You could be a comedian if you were funny.

Thanks.



Hey, I didn't get a "Love to All" at the end of your reply!  

Does that mean it's "Love to all, with the exception of those who make a joke about the fallacy of 'No True Scotsmen'"?

[Hitsumei]

I have a hard time understanding how others do not believe that there is a standard of rightness. Without that standard we would have people out of control and may I suggest that is why this country finds itself in the state it is. We can see the standard that man has set is not working. There has to be one standard of rightness that is solid,dependable,just,fair and ect.and I believe that standard must be God.

I think that it's kind of cute how some Americans seem to think that only other Americans are on the intertubes.

[McQ]

I have a hard time understanding how others do not believe that there is a standard of rightness. Without that standard we would have people out of control and may I suggest that is why this country finds itself in the state it is. We can see the standard that man has set is not working. There has to be one standard of rightness that is solid,dependable,just,fair and ect.and I believe that standard must be God.

I think that it's kind of cute how some Americans seem to think that only other Americans are on the intertubes.

You mean the web has gone worldwide? Damn, that's impressive!

[joeactor]

Godschild: Please take this helpful suggestion from a theist...

Pray to god to give you two things: Civility and Punctuation.
(A few less "multiple sequential posts" might help too.)

Please review the forum rules.  Refrain from making any further condescending or insulting comments.

Thank you for your time.

Yours in punctuation,
JoeActor

[Godschild]

joeactor and no condescending remarks have been made towards me.I was only making fun of what other were saying about me.

Love to all in Christ Jesus thisincludes you McQ and SSY

[BuckeyeInNC]

BuckeyeInNC: The Easter Bunny works in and through me to serve others,those who are in need.I do not search them out Easter Bunny brings my attention to those who I can help with the skills Easter Bunny blessed me with.Now it is Easter Bunny's will that I help those He brings into my life but He gives me the free will to reject that person or family if I so choose and He will continue to love me no matter what I choose to do,but when a person makes the right choice well thats when you see His actions in action.The evidence that I see of Easter Bunny's work,by just looking into the eyes of those Easter Bunny has helped through me,hey the Easter Bunny of all and aaaaaall things chose me a nobody(just ask SSY) to work through for others.I know this if you do not believe you'll never understand what I just wrote.

    Love to all in the Easter Bunny

Fixed it for ya!

Oh, I understand it completely.  You refuse to answer the question and are completely delusional.  Do you see how silly you sound?

[VanReal]

I think that it's kind of cute how some Americans seem to think that only other Americans are on the intertubes.

You mean the web has gone worldwide? Damn, that's impressive!

We are quite self-centered.  Who was the comedian that joked about American's complaining about people being here and not speaking English, "If you are in America you should speak English, that's our language" and then you find those same Americans in Europe yelling "Doesn't anyone here speak English?"  Hehe, gotta love us  

As for the "standard of rightness"....just what standard would that be?  The blind following of one true god, beating our kids, wives being subserviant to their husbands, animal sacrifice, slave ownership?  I am always interested when christians claim they have the answers to morals we should be following, but never really can say what teachings, activities, morals, behavior, etc., are the ones to be followed, or in this instance the ones that equal the standards of rightness.

[ACSlater]

But maybe you'll walk away with a better understanding of your faith and us.

That is why I enjoy visiting this site. I wanted to look at things from a perspective that was outside my particular beliefs. In doing so (thanks to the quality of people/posts here), I feel like I've grown a bit more not only in my own faith, but grown to appreciate the different views found on HAF.

[SSY]

Thankyou for the Sig