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How do you stave off intellectual vanity and snobbery?

Started by Will, April 09, 2009, 06:17:54 PM

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Will

Of all the forums I visit, I think this forum has the highest average rate of self-reflection, and is probably one of the smartest. Ah.... my ego... so good...  :cool:

What steps do you take to avoid having an inflated ego based on your intellect? Certainly there are some very smart cookies around here, and I myself know that things like self esteem issues and uncertainty can play into creating a wall with your intellect, to guard your true and vulnerable self. Ultimately, I've found this to be dangerous in forming and maintaining a healthy relationship with others and even yourself.

When I catch myself looking down my nose at someone for saying, thinking, or doing something I deem stupid, I try to bear in mind that, first off, I might be wrong. It's not about fostering uncertainty, but rather about intellectual honesty. I also have to question why I am having an attitude with this person. Am I feeling uneasy about something? Maybe I had an ego body-blow recently and the snobbery is the scab to that wound. Does anyone deserve to be mistreated for simply making an innocent logical error? I don't think so.

How about you?
I want bad people to look forward to and celebrate the day I die, because if they don't, I'm not living up to my potential.

joeactor

Good topic Will.

As they say, "pride goeth befor a fall".

I think of the scene from the movie Excalibur (1981), where Merlin is trying to catch a fish with his bare hands.  He catches it, it wriggles free, knocks him off balance and into the stream.  He says "Remember, there's always something cleverer than yourself."

There is a massive amount of stuff that I just don't know.  By comparison, the stuff I do know seems pretty small.  I enjoy having that sense of wonder and discovery - and I think those are lost when I believe myself to be smarter, better, or more talented than others.

I will say that I am above average in many ways, but "there's always something cleverer than yourself".

It also comes down to comparisons.  Once you start comparing yourself to others in order to deem your own worth, you'll often come up disappointed (or become delusional).  Better to do your best and be proud of who you are... isn't that enough?

Ramblin' JoeActor

Will

Quote from: "joeactor"I enjoy having that sense of wonder and discovery - and I think those are lost when I believe myself to be smarter, better, or more talented than others.
Very wise.
I want bad people to look forward to and celebrate the day I die, because if they don't, I'm not living up to my potential.

BadPoison

Patience truly is a virtue. The ability to be patient with others, regardless of who is "right" or "wrong" is something many of us never learn. I struggle with this on a daily basis with the women I date, the people I work with, and the clients I work for.

Patience and understanding. Or maybe "understanding" isn't the right word. But attempting to understand. Honestly attempting to understand and sympathize with others - We're all from different places, backgrounds, ethnicities. Who knows what rode any of us have travelled to arrive where we are.

Patience breaks down walls, and builds new worlds.

curiosityandthecat

-Curio

Tanker

This is actually one of my flaws. I think relising that it is infact a flaw helps to temper my ego over it. I also try to remind myself that no matter how much I know, or think I know, I am overwhelming ignorant when it comes to all avalible knowledge. I also like to keep in mind that becase I may  have superior knowldge on a subject it does not make me superior. I often struggle and sometimes only realise with hind sight what an ass I was.
"I'd rather die the go to heaven" - William Murderface Murderface  Murderface-

I've been in fox holes, I'm still an atheist -Me-

God is a cake, and we all know what the cake is.

(my spelling, grammer, and punctuation suck, I know, but regardless of how much I read they haven't improved much since grade school. It's actually a bit of a family joke.

McQ

Will, this is a good topic. I find that embracing your intellect can help you live with being better than everyone around you, much in the way that Khan did in "Space Seed".  ;)

I have to remember that even though I know I'm correct from the standpoint of pure facts, I may be wrong in attitude. I was in those shoes and should never forget that I was one of those people that I have so little patience for now.

Ideally, we are able to balance our confidence in ourselves with the ability to keep from over-inflating our egos. But it's hard to do, and if you spend all your time wondering about it, you really don't go anywhere, you just stay stuck in a loop.
Elvis didn't do no drugs!
--Penn Jillette

Recusant

#7
There is an ancient Asian game called Go (igo, wei qi, baduk) that I've played for a long time. If you are receptive to it's lessons, it teaches many virtues, one of the most prominent among them is humility.
 
A willingness to learn helps a  lot, too.  Just because somebody is patently a dolt does not mean there is nothing they can teach you, if you can resist dismissing them out of hand.

The simple fact is that the truly superior intellect is aware of just how much there is to know and understand in life, and how small a percentage of that will ever be possessed by any one person.  Fatuous self-congratulatory intellectual pride is often an impediment to seeking and achieving greater knowledge and understanding.  Thus, the intelligent person who is not too proud of their intellect is ahead of the game.   ;)   One very important thing to keep in mind is that intelligence does not equal wisdom.  By wisdom, I mean a perceptive understanding of what matters in life, and how those values relate to each other.  Intelligence can help in achieving wisdom, but arrogant intelligence really can get in the way.  Value wisdom over intellectual brilliance, and you will not often go wrong, in my opinion.  I know this comes off sounding like platitudes, but even Polonius said a few worthwhile things.
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration — courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and above all, love of the truth."
— H. L. Mencken


Ihateyoumike

I have a hard time even inflating my ego. Perhaps it is due to being the youngest of 3 boys in my family, but I have a hard time telling myself that I'm smarter than a lot of people. I consider myself to be completely average. Same goes for my looks, athletic abilities, and just about everything else. I guess it could be called low self-esteem. In fact, quite often I feel as though I'm at the lower end of the intelligence scale, even though I'm pretty sure that's not a fair assessment.
I will have people tell me ego-boosting statements, but they tend to slip in one ear and out the other.

This is actually something I have been working on getting over, because it was much much worse in the past.
Prayers that need no answer now, cause I'm tired of who I am
You were my greatest mistake, I fell in love with your sin
Your littlest sin.

Hitsumei

It doesn't bolster my ego to have discussions with those with an inferior intellect, or knowledge of the subject anymore than it does to defeat my niece at Soul Calibur. What explodes my ego is when I gain the recognition of those with superior intellects, and knowledge than myself, that is what is challenging.

Besides, I think that having a calm demeanor, an intellectual curiosity, a painfully honest self-reflection, and a willingness to admit defeat when it is apparent is what is important. Not raw intellectual powers.

My wife is far more intelligent and knowledgeable than I am about most things, but she has never treated me as inferior, acted snobbish towards me, or condescended. That is what explodes my ego -- just thinking how she is genuinely interested in what I have to say, and truly enjoys conversing with me, and always makes me feel like we are on equal ground. I was a far different person before I met her -- I had barely read an entire book, save romance novels.

I find myself feeling superior to people with vastly different moral, political and social outlooks far more than I find myself thinking myself to be superior to those whom I think are intellectually inferior to myself.
"Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition." ~Timothy Leary
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joeactor

Quote from: "Recusant"There is an ancient Asian game called Go (igo, wei qi, baduk) that I've played for a long time. If you are receptive to it's lessons, it teaches many virtues, one of the most prominent among them is humility.

I just started learning to play Go...  Wow!  These rules are easy!  Should be a snap...

*SNAP!*
Ow!  ok, why do I keep losing?

Yeppers - humility abounds in that game.

Persistence helps,
JoeActor

PipeBox

Not very hard, I can just come here and I'll be amazed by the verbosity and intelligence of the posts, as well as the eloquence they are written with.  For a time, I felt a bit snobby, and it's easy to do when you seem to be the only person willing to use your noggin, but upon meeting other people who use theirs, I've discovered a huge variety of thoughts that, while I can grasp (for the most part), I never would have arrived at on my own.  I've realized that although I do think, I by no means think in the same capacity as some of the frequenters of this board.  I can only imagine what some of the people I know might say, were they interested in events, discoveries, philosophies, and even humor outside of their church.  And that's enough to keep me humble when I'm about.  Besides, I once believed a talking snake met up with the first evolved (yes, I was a theistic evolutionist) humans (arbitrary line, anyone?).  I lived logical fallacies and compartmentalizations.  I think that's enough of a reminder to keep my tongue slow to demean and my desire on freeing others of intellectual bondage rather than inflating my ego.
If sin may be committed through inaction, God never stopped.

My soul, do not seek eternal life, but exhaust the realm of the possible.
-- Pindar

Sophus

Unfortunately you don't have to be the least bit intellectual to be intellectually vain. But I've never viewed my own ego as a problem.
‎"Christian doesn't necessarily just mean good. It just means better." - John Oliver

McQ

Quote from: "joeactor"
Quote from: "Recusant"There is an ancient Asian game called Go (igo, wei qi, baduk) that I've played for a long time. If you are receptive to it's lessons, it teaches many virtues, one of the most prominent among them is humility.

I just started learning to play Go...  Wow!  These rules are easy!  Should be a snap...

*SNAP!*
Ow!  ok, why do I keep losing?

Yeppers - humility abounds in that game.

Persistence helps,
JoeActor

Joe, I had the same experience with the game, Pente. I thought, man this is so easy!

Easy to learn the rules. Even easier to get trounced by an opponent.
Elvis didn't do no drugs!
--Penn Jillette

curiosityandthecat

Does anybody else have a hard time walking the line between confidence and snobbishness? (Your statement made me think of this, McQ.) I can come off rather cocky and arrogant, but I'm really rather lacking in the self-confidence area.  :blush:
-Curio