Science - Limited

[forevernewton]

Long time ago some humans were using wood. Some wood was used to make fire, some wood was used to make tools, and with an extra piece of wood these humans decided to make an idol, which they called “god”. They began to fear and “obey” that “god”. In stead of simply apply the wood for the good of humans and their environment, they placed themselves under the wood-idol and became limited slaves of what they had made.

Many years latter, some humans developed ways to understand reality. They set criteria, and methodology to make clear distinctions between facts and myths. These humans developed processes and tools to analyze Earth as well as the universe. These humans named their invention: “science”. But, in stead of simply use science for the good of humans and their environment, part of those humans placed themselves under the science and became limited slaves of the very thing they had made. Science was all they had.

These self-limited humans say that if the Creator is going to believed, He has to fit in science. They did not only become slaves of their own creation, they also want to place the Almighty Creator under the yoke they put on themselves.

The Loving Almighty Creator is willing to let these humans have a relationship with Him, but it can not be under their rules. The Loving Almighty Creator can not be a slave of humans, and, obviously, can not become a slave of any human invention.

Some of these humans ask the Creator to make Himself a slave of their rules, so they can see Him. The Loving Almighty Creator wants to set them free of their yoke, but that has to be done under His Way. The very first thing they need is simple, it is called “Faith”.

“But we do not want to loose our science!”- they claim.
“You will not loose science” â€"Creator says, you will be set FREE.
“Free of what?” â€" Humans say.
“Free of the all the yokes you created for yourselves”- the Creator says
“All I have is science, and it is good” â€" humans reply
“Science is good” â€"Creator answers - “But, don’t be a slave of your own rules. You won’t loose science, in instead, you will be able to see and have more things. You will be ASTONISHED”.

Some humans still fear the yoke of the piece of wood they made.

Some humans are still under the yoke of the scientific rules they made.

Some humans are still under many different kinds of yokes.

Some humans are Free, to use wood, to develop knowledge, to use and enjoy science, and also to have a loving relation with the Creator. And yes, they are astonished.
Jesus can set you free.

[curiosityandthecat]

Wait for it...



Oh, and I thought this would be relevant:



(Ah, jeeze... am I flaming? I hope maestro isn't going to be mad at me, again!   )

[Hitsumei]

The wood thing really cracked me up. "Yep, it's wood". I just about died. I'm still laughing.

[McQ]

Long time ago some humans were using wood. Some wood was used to make fire, some wood was used to make tools, and with an extra piece of wood these humans decided to make an idol, which they called “god”. They began to fear and “obey” that “god”. In stead of simply apply the wood for the good of humans and their environment, they placed themselves under the wood-idol and became limited slaves of what they had made.

Many years latter, some humans developed ways to understand reality. They set criteria, and methodology to make clear distinctions between facts and myths. These humans developed processes and tools to analyze Earth as well as the universe. These humans named their invention: “science”. But, in stead of simply use science for the good of humans and their environment, part of those humans placed themselves under the science and became limited slaves of the very thing they had made. Science was all they had.

Wow, you were doing pretty well until you got to this point.

But, in stead of simply use science for the good of humans and their environment, part of those humans placed themselves under the science and became limited slaves of the very thing they had made.

Then your story (which sounded quite a bit like a second grade teacher reading to her class) veered off the road like Ted Kennedy after a party.

Beginning with "But instead of..." and going right to the end, your story becomes total drivel. It shows several things: lack of understanding of science, how it's used, why it's used, lack of understanding of your own faith, lack of understanding of this forum and the rules. I say that last part, because you dove right into preaching and evangelizing. Big no-no. Read the forum rules. There is a section for that, and it is not "Science".

Try again, maybe this time with an introduction of yourself, why you're here, etc. You might receive a welcome that doesn't look like this:  

The Loving Almighty Creator is willing to let these humans have a relationship with Him, but it can not be under their rules. The Loving Almighty Creator can not be a slave of humans, and, obviously, can not become a slave of any human invention.


Some humans still fear the yoke of the piece of wood they made.

Some humans are still under the yoke of the scientific rules they made.

Some humans are still under many different kinds of yokes.

Some humans are Free, to use wood, to develop knowledge, to use and enjoy science, and also to have a loving relation with the Creator. And yes, they are astonished.
Jesus can set you free.

Like I said, this part belongs in a different part of the forum.

[Squid]

@ OP, If this thread is an argument for the synthesis of belief and science or belief over science or anything of the like, it doesn't belong in the science forum but rather the religion forum.

[Ihateyoumike]

Not a good start. At all.

[Kylyssa]

Long time ago some humans were using wood. Some wood was used to make fire, some wood was used to make tools, and with an extra piece of wood these humans decided to make an idol, which they called “god”. They began to fear and “obey” that “god”. In stead of simply apply the wood for the good of humans and their environment, they placed themselves under the wood-idol and became limited slaves of what they had made.

Then, they realized that wood was just a material and that fire wasn't a god so they decided that other things that mystified them like thunder and the sun must be gods.

Eventually, they learned that thunder was just a natural phenomenon and that the sun was a star rather than a god.  Because people eventually figured out that everything they could examine with their five senses inevitably turned out to be something explainable in the long run the people who had believed otherwise had felt stupid so they decided that something imperceptible must be a god.  They did this because they knew it was a choice that no one could disprove by discovering something new.  They felt they would never need to feel stupid about slapping the idea of god onto unexplainable phenomena again.  Then, they encountered logic and probability and common sense.  

To combat that, they decided to shut their eyes tightly stick their fingers into their ears and scream at everyone who came near, "GOD DID IT, GOD DID IT ALL!!!!!"  They also blindfolded their children with pages from an ancient scroll and glued bits of cotton and oral traditions into their childrens' ears for the same purpose and devised a system (called religion) to communicate only those things that would keep them ignorant of anything but those beliefs.  Sometimes, these children picked at the blindfolds and the bits of cotton and their parents would punish them.  But once they became adults, some of these children extracted the earplugs and the blindfolds and saw their parents rushing around blindly and looked at them with love and sadness.

These children noticed with their new found sight that there were wonders in the universe and amazing truths.  So they created something called science and used it for the benefit of all, even the blindly flailing people who often struck out at them because they couldn't see they were trying to help them but thought they were instead attacking them.  

I think my myth is far more interesting than forevernewton's

[Ihateyoumike]

I think my myth is far more interesting than forevernewton's

So do I.  

[forevernewton]

Long time ago some humans were using wood. Some wood was used to make fire, some wood was used to make tools, and with an extra piece of wood these humans decided to make an idol, which they called “god”. They began to fear and “obey” that “god”. In stead of simply apply the wood for the good of humans and their environment, they placed themselves under the wood-idol and became limited slaves of what they had made.

Many years latter, some humans developed ways to understand reality. They set criteria, and methodology to make clear distinctions between facts and myths. These humans developed processes and tools to analyze Earth as well as the universe. These humans named their invention: “science”. But, in stead of simply use science for the good of humans and their environment, part of those humans placed themselves under the science and became limited slaves of the very thing they had made. Science was all they had.

Wow, you were doing pretty well until you got to this point.

But, in stead of simply use science for the good of humans and their environment, part of those humans placed themselves under the science and became limited slaves of the very thing they had made.

Then your story (which sounded quite a bit like a second grade teacher reading to her class) veered off the road like Ted Kennedy after a party.

Beginning with "But instead of..." and going right to the end, your story becomes total drivel. It shows several things: lack of understanding of science, how it's used, why it's used, lack of understanding of your own faith, lack of understanding of this forum and the rules. I say that last part, because you dove right into preaching and evangelizing. Big no-no. Read the forum rules. There is a section for that, and it is not "Science".

Try again, maybe this time with an introduction of yourself, why you're here, etc. You might receive a welcome that doesn't look like this:  

The Loving Almighty Creator is willing to let these humans have a relationship with Him, but it can not be under their rules. The Loving Almighty Creator can not be a slave of humans, and, obviously, can not become a slave of any human invention.


Some humans still fear the yoke of the piece of wood they made.

Some humans are still under the yoke of the scientific rules they made.

Some humans are still under many different kinds of yokes.

Some humans are Free, to use wood, to develop knowledge, to use and enjoy science, and also to have a loving relation with the Creator. And yes, they are astonished.
Jesus can set you free.

Like I said, this part belongs in a different part of the forum.

Hello McQ!

Well, if I tell I am Spanish, would yu forgive my "low writting level?"
And yes, I should have put this under religion.

Thanks!

For Ever Newton

[forevernewton]

Not a good start. At all.

Oh, man!
I am going down!!! Ups!

[forevernewton]

Long time ago some humans were using wood. Some wood was used to make fire, some wood was used to make tools, and with an extra piece of wood these humans decided to make an idol, which they called “god”. They began to fear and “obey” that “god”. In stead of simply apply the wood for the good of humans and their environment, they placed themselves under the wood-idol and became limited slaves of what they had made.

Then, they realized that wood was just a material and that fire wasn't a god so they decided that other things that mystified them like thunder and the sun must be gods.

Eventually, they learned that thunder was just a natural phenomenon and that the sun was a star rather than a god.  Because people eventually figured out that everything they could examine with their five senses inevitably turned out to be something explainable in the long run the people who had believed otherwise had felt stupid so they decided that something imperceptible must be a god.  They did this because they knew it was a choice that no one could disprove by discovering something new.  They felt they would never need to feel stupid about slapping the idea of god onto unexplainable phenomena again.  Then, they encountered logic and probability and common sense.  

To combat that, they decided to shut their eyes tightly stick their fingers into their ears and scream at everyone who came near, "GOD DID IT, GOD DID IT ALL!!!!!"  They also blindfolded their children with pages from an ancient scroll and glued bits of cotton and oral traditions into their childrens' ears for the same purpose and devised a system (called religion) to communicate only those things that would keep them ignorant of anything but those beliefs.  Sometimes, these children picked at the blindfolds and the bits of cotton and their parents would punish them.  But once they became adults, some of these children extracted the earplugs and the blindfolds and saw their parents rushing around blindly and looked at them with love and sadness.

These children noticed with their new found sight that there were wonders in the universe and amazing truths.  So they created something called science and used it for the benefit of all, even the blindly flailing people who often struck out at them because they couldn't see they were trying to help them but thought they were instead attacking them.  

I think my myth is far more interesting than forevernewton's

Hey! Every single person is corret, my English Writing sucks!!!  There is a huge gap from my post to your post.  Mmm... ostia!!!

[SSY]

A christian, telling people to be freed from the shackles of ideological dogma, this man has the keenest wit I have ever had the pleasure of observing.

[forevernewton]

Long time ago some humans were using wood. Some wood was used to make fire, some wood was used to make tools, and with an extra piece of wood these humans decided to make an idol, which they called “god”. They began to fear and “obey” that “god”. In stead of simply apply the wood for the good of humans and their environment, they placed themselves under the wood-idol and became limited slaves of what they had made.

Many years latter, some humans developed ways to understand reality. They set criteria, and methodology to make clear distinctions between facts and myths. These humans developed processes and tools to analyze Earth as well as the universe. These humans named their invention: “science”. But, in stead of simply use science for the good of humans and their environment, part of those humans placed themselves under the science and became limited slaves of the very thing they had made. Science was all they had.

These self-limited humans say that if the Creator is going to believed, He has to fit in science. They did not only become slaves of their own creation, they also want to place the Almighty Creator under the yoke they put on themselves.

The Loving Almighty Creator is willing to let these humans have a relationship with Him, but it can not be under their rules. The Loving Almighty Creator can not be a slave of humans, and, obviously, can not become a slave of any human invention.

Some of these humans ask the Creator to make Himself a slave of their rules, so they can see Him. The Loving Almighty Creator wants to set them free of their yoke, but that has to be done under His Way. The very first thing they need is simple, it is called “Faith”.

“But we do not want to loose our science!”- they claim.
“You will not loose science” â€"Creator says, you will be set FREE.
“Free of what?” â€" Humans say.
“Free of the all the yokes you created for yourselves”- the Creator says
“All I have is science, and it is good” â€" humans reply
“Science is good” â€"Creator answers - “But, don’t be a slave of your own rules. You won’t loose science, instead, you will be able to see and have even more things. You will be ASTONISHED”.

Some humans still fear the yoke of the piece of wood they made.

Some humans are still under the yoke of the scientific rules they made.

Some humans are still under many different kinds of yokes.

Some humans are Free, to use wood, to develop knowledge, to use and enjoy science, and also to have a loving relation with the Creator. And yes, they are astonished.
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Jesus can set you free. If you ever feel tired of carrying your yoke, the LOVING CREATOR will be there for you, and will make a party to celebrate your freedom.

[Sophus]

Yeah... too bad science killed God.

Faith is an antonym of scientific thinking - they don't mix well.

[forevernewton]

Yeah... too bad science killed God.

Faith is an antonym of scientific thinking - they don't mix well.

But I have both! and it is way too cool!

By the way, if god does not exist... how come science killed him? And who or what is science? How something you can not see or touch can kill something that does not exist?

It is a joke. Do not bother replying, I am just playing to give arguments like the ones from the atheists.

And I think I know what you mean. Science and Faith are opposites, so, if you have one "the other dies".

Now, again: I have both.
And it feel great to be embraced by the Creator!!!