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Could you handle the truth?

Started by Sandra Craft, January 26, 2016, 08:15:14 AM

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Sandra Craft

Well, I'm glad a believer finally joined the conversation, since I think the question about worship is one only a believer could answer (I don't think most non-believers, at least on this forum, have much experience of worshipping anything). 

What's your take, Bruce, on what worshipping entails?  Can one disagree and refuse to comply with one's god while still worshipping it, or is obedience to its will a requirement of worship even when your own conscience revolts against one of its commands or wishes?
Sandy

  

"Life is short, and it is up to you to make it sweet."  Sarah Louise Delany

Asmodean

As an additional point, is worshipping out of fear or hunger for the promised rewards enough, or is there supposed to be something else behind it?
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Pasta Chick

I'm assuming the button provides clarity on the worship issue. If not, then I wouldn't worship.

Just to make things really morally dicey: Say the button indicates the Aztecs were correct, human sacrifice and all. The practice comes back and there are many willing parties who would give their lives on Earth to the Gods. They will be distraught and we as a race will fall upon hard times if they are not sacrificed. And we know this is correct via the button. Do you still refuse to participate?

Sandra Craft

I say yes.  We've been doing all right ignoring the gods so far, and if human sacrifice is what we have to start doing again to survive then we probably shouldn't survive.
Sandy

  

"Life is short, and it is up to you to make it sweet."  Sarah Louise Delany

Crow

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Quote from: Pasta Chick on January 29, 2016, 02:13:28 AM
Do you still refuse to participate?

Abso-fucking-lutely. It's a button, I could rig something up from scratch that just outputs yes or no, given enough time and resources I could create a system that can identify the religion. It wouldn't make it true, it wouldn't even really be that hard to do as voice recognition software is pretty good these days, in fact you could build a far more simplistic version using javascript, html and css or just use a quick bit of PHP. You would have a selector (a list of religions), a button to press and an output field (could be type or sound), you only have one yes so that is a unique identifier that signals the output to yes and the rest are all the same that output a no, or you don't even have to have a yes which makes it even easer as you just create a button that says no.
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Magdalena

Quote from: Crow on January 29, 2016, 02:49:37 PM
Quote from: Pasta Chick on January 29, 2016, 02:13:28 AM
Do you still refuse to participate?

Abso-fucking-lutely. It's a button, I could rig something up from scratch that just outputs yes or no, given enough time and resources I could create a system that can identify the religion. It wouldn't make it true, it wouldn't even really be that hard to do as voice recognition software is pretty good these days, in fact you could build a far more simplistic version using javascript, html and css or just use a quick bit of PHP. You would have a selector (a list of religions), a button to press and an output field (could be type or sound), you only have one yes so that is a unique identifier that signals the output to yes and the rest are all the same that output a no, or you don't even have to have a yes which makes it even easer as you just create a button that says no.

Man! Crow!
Why did you have to ruin the moment?  >:(

Here you come with your:
"I could rig something up from scratch."
"[If I had] enough time and resources I could create a system."
"Voice recognition software."
"Javascript, html and css or just use a quick bit of PHP."
"Selector, output field."
"Signal the output to yes. Reset the output to no."
But just for fun, "Eliminate yes."  :snicker:

>:( >:( What the hell, man!? Now, no one wants to play no more.  :grrr:

"I've had several "spiritual" or numinous experiences over the years, but never felt that they were the product of anything but the workings of my own mind in reaction to the universe." ~Recusant

Crow

Quote from: Magdalena on January 31, 2016, 06:51:08 AM
>:( >:( What the hell, man!? Now, no one wants to play no more.  :grrr:

Its true though. I know it's a think piece but seriously who would trust something that comes from a button, you pressed multiple buttons just to make a post be them physical or digital, they are just a method of output and can be programmed to do almost anything but reveal facts about reality isn't one of them. Never mind basing your outlook on one.

If the think piece was "if you could have a moment of enlightenment showing you the truth would you do it?" I would still say what a crock of shit, ideas are the last thing to trust. Observe your thought process it is all over the place throwing things together to try make some sort of semblance than always viewed through the lens of past experiences with opinions changing all the time. The only one I can think of that I would say yes to would be independently verifiable test the proves the existence of a deity, because that is a starting point of something that can be challenged or for more evidence to be discovered.
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Magdalena

Quote from: Crow on January 31, 2016, 12:57:13 PM
The only one I can think of that I would say yes to would be
independently verifiable test the proves the existence of a deity...

:grin:

"I've had several "spiritual" or numinous experiences over the years, but never felt that they were the product of anything but the workings of my own mind in reaction to the universe." ~Recusant