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Gays in the Military

Started by Sophus, January 08, 2009, 09:12:10 PM

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Sophus

Should homosexuals be allowed to serve in the armed forces while being open about their sexuality? My vote is yes.
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curiosityandthecat

As long as the guy next to me doesn't want to die as much as I don't want to die, I don't really care where he puts his penis.  :)
-Curio

Wraitchel

In this time, when we are recruiting people who lack high school diplomas over openly gay people, we are exhibiting gross stupidity. There is no good reason to turn down any healthy person who is willing to serve and capable of doing the job. Frikkin homophobic jacka$$es.

Will

If they want to put their lives on the line, the military should respect them the same way they respect everyone else who wants to join. They should also allow transgendered individuals to enlist and serve.
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curiosityandthecat

Quote from: "Wraitchel"In this time, when we are recruiting people who lack high school diplomas over openly gay people, we are exhibiting gross stupidity. There is no good reason to turn down any healthy person who is willing to serve and capable of doing the job. Frikkin homophobic jacka$$es.

The dark side of me wants to agree with that decision, though. If the gays have generally higher education than the uneducated good ol' boys that are volunteering to put their lives on the line, isn't that statistically a boon? I mean, if you have to sacrifice a member of a group, do you sacrifice the ones who are most able to raise intelligent, socially responsible children, or the ones who propagate superstition and prejudice?

Wow, I think I'm promoting a kind of eugenics. Haha.
-Curio

Kylyssa

What difference does it make?  I can't imagine what difference sexuality makes in a person's ability to shoot a gun.

crocofish

According to this article, the Israeli military allowed openly gay men and women to serve, starting in 1983 with some restrictions; and they lifted all restrictions in 1993.
Quote... in Israel, as well as in the other 23 nations with a similar policy on homosexuals in the military, service by gay soldiers had not had an adverse effect on the military.
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karadan

Quote from: "Wraitchel"In this time, when we are recruiting people who lack high school diplomas over openly gay people, we are exhibiting gross stupidity. There is no good reason to turn down any healthy person who is willing to serve and capable of doing the job. Frikkin homophobic jacka$$es.

Tell that to the enlisted blockhead jackasses who think that every gay person is out to rape as many bums as possible. It is very difficult to change opinion, especially when it is formed out of ignorance.

Having said that, my cousin is friends with a few guys in the British army who are unofficially gay. All their peers know this and are cool with it. Ironically, it is the officers who have the problem with it. They are subject to a fair amount of ridicule but that is where it stops. I guess opinion changes from regiment to regiment.
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MariaEvri

well
men are allowed to serve
women are allowed to serve
I don't think that the weapons will start missfiring, or bombs will self detonate because a aman/wooman likes having sex with the same sex
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DennisK

Quote from: "Wraitchel"In this time, when we are recruiting people who lack high school diplomas over openly gay people, we are exhibiting gross stupidity. There is no good reason to turn down any healthy person who is willing to serve and capable of doing the job. Frikkin homophobic jacka$$es.
From a recruiting perspective, it would make more sense to enlist a young, less educated person so you can "mold" them a bit easier.
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BadPoison

For nations in which the majority is not prejudice against gays, I absolutely see no harm.

But let me ask a question - Would it be fair to a homosexual to surround them in a batallion of primarily red-neck homophobes, and send him to a hot-spot? Do you not think that the rednecks would be less likely to go out of their way to cover someone that they hate?
If the answer is 'no' - then should there be special treatment for homosexuals in the military? Maybe a special gay batallion? But wouldn't that too result in "seperate but equal" style discrimination?

SSY

If the rednecks act in a way that puts the lives of others at risk, then they get punished whether the person is gay or not.

I don't see a problem with them serving, as long as their pansy arms can shoot a gun and they don't feignt at the sight of a disembowled enemy corpse like the pathetic wussy fags they are.




















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Sophus

Quote from: "SSY"I don't see a problem with them serving, as long as their pansy arms can shoot a gun and they don't feignt at the sight of a disembowled enemy corpse like the pathetic wussy fags they are.

 Not all gays act like the stereotype you are depicting.

Where does that stereotype come from anyways? I've known several gay men who are anything but "pansies" or even feminine. I think the ones (such as Ross Mathews) are pretentious just to show pride in their sexuality. Which there's nothing wrong with that. But I think that homosexuals in general have been given an unfair stereotype.
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Whitney

Quote from: "BadPoison"For nations in which the majority is not prejudice against gays, I absolutely see no harm.

But let me ask a question - Would it be fair to a homosexual to surround them in a batallion of primarily red-neck homophobes, and send him to a hot-spot? Do you not think that the rednecks would be less likely to go out of their way to cover someone that they hate?
If the answer is 'no' - then should there be special treatment for homosexuals in the military? Maybe a special gay batallion? But wouldn't that too result in "seperate but equal" style discrimination?

By that reasoning, atheists, pagans, satanist, pro-choice and a number of other groups rednecks hate shouldn't be allowed to join the military either.  I doubt the redneck men were too happy when women were allowed to join; I think most of them are over that now.  They can get over being around gay people too; it would be good for them.

curiosityandthecat

Quote from: "laetusatheos"They can get over being around gay people too; it would be good for them.

Denying religion and spirituality would be good for them, too! One life-altering, soul-shattering change at a time, I suppose.  :D
-Curio