Prop 8 Passed

[Stoicheion]

it passed with a shameful 51% yesterday, banning gay marriage in california, and taking away rights of people whom already have gay marriage. It's a stinging loss to compare with our victory with Obama. I'm too stunned for words.

[jcm]

it passed with a shameful 51% yesterday, banning gay marriage in california, and taking away rights of people whom already have gay marriage. It's a stinging loss to compare with our victory with Obama. I'm too stunned for words.

I’m relieved, I thought they were trying to ban straight marriage. I feel much better about it now.  

[rlrose328]

Yup... all of the gay marriage ban proposals passed in each state that had them.  I'm embarrassed to be an American.  It is indeed a sting compared with Obama being elected.

How can they justify their outright intolerance and bigotry in the name of their god?  It's astounding.

We feel like it's time to call a spade and spade, speak out, call them ignorant and be forthright about it.  They have no problem telling us how wrong we are... why must we stand for this?  I'm sick of always turning the other cheek and allowing them to stomp and trample our rights until we have none.

The hubby will not go to my mom's house for Christmas and wants to keep the Kid from going as well... because she voted yes on Prop 8.  I feel sad, but I support his decision.  She needs to know that her stance is morally wrong and if it means depriving her of her grandchild for the holiday, so be it.  (Yes, even as I type that, it seems wrong, but I know it's the right thing to do... life is short and depriving someone of their right to marry is just as wrong.  We must fight fire with fire.)

[Stoicheion]

perhaps there will be another bill in reaction to it sometime in the near future. People in California, Massachusetts, and (that other state) already had the right to marry the same sex, so its taking a right away which they already had. I could perhaps understand a little better if they banned it from states that DON'T have it legal yet but what they've done is ridiculous. I really want to do something about this. The GBLT community is (hopefully) going to fight back against this to overturn it.

I'm pansexual, and marriage is unappealing to me, but as an clearminded individual, this is wrong. Something has to be done, letters have to be written, phone calls to be made, etc. I won't stand for this.

[Whitney]

I'm tired of the religious right poking their noses into other people's business.  I was under the impression that California was composed mostly of liberals who valued civil liberties...I guess I was wrong.

Maybe it's time for a compromise where we call state marriages "Civil Marriages" or "Civil Unions" and let churches claim the word marriage and decide if they want to marry homosexuals or not.  Those of us who are more mature know that it's just a word and that the commitment is what should be valued.  Of course, I hate to compromise with the unreasonable.

[rlrose328]

I'm tired of the religious right poking their noses into other people's business.  I was under the impression that California was composed mostly of liberals who valued civil liberties...I guess I was wrong.

Yup, me too... I was so sure it would pass.  I'm not even IN the state!  Joe wants to cancel our trip to visit my mom for Christmas because she voted in favor of Prop 8.  He's fighting intolerance with intolerance.  I'm standing by, waiting to see if his mad will subside.  I told him if we don't go to mom's for the holiday, HE will call her to tell her.  She'll be devastated, and so will the kid.

Maybe it's time for a compromise where we call state marriages "Civil Marriages" or "Civil Unions" and let churches claim the word marriage and decide if they want to marry homosexuals or not.  Those of us who are more mature know that it's just a word and that the commitment is what should be valued.  

I've been saying that for years.  Let the religious nutjobs have their word, if that's their (latest) big hangup.    Call it cocoapuffs... I don't care.

Of course, I hate to compromise with the unreasonable.

Yup... that's where we are.  They want to be unreasonable... so will I.  Fight fire with fire.

[Wraitchel]

What I really don't understand is how, exactly, they believe gay marriage undermines the institution of marriage. I don't care if you marry a horse. It has no effect on the legitimacy or legality of my marriage. I have gay friends who have been married forever. They are no threat to anyone but those religious morons who fear everything they cannot wrap their tiny, tiny brains around.

I'm pissed!

[jrosebud]

 I just don't get it.  How can people vote against a beautiful expression of love and call themselves morally superior?  *Love* for ****'s sake!

[Will]

Some of California is extremely liberal; Sacramento, San Francisco, San Jose, Santa Cruz, North LA... but some of California is deeply conservative. Riverside makes Texas look like France. Sam with Modoc. There are some very deeply backward people here, and many of them resent California being portrayed as liberal so they move even farther right.

Mormons have moved from a mostly benign group of assholes to my active problem list. They donated millions upon millions of dollars to Yes on 8, even though there aren't even 700,000 Mormons in California (out of 35m Californians). It's unacceptable. I plan on donating to every liberal measure that comes up in Utah for the next 50 years.

[rlrose328]

If marriage is a sacred institution granted by god... when will they be coming after atheists for getting married?  Yes, we're one man and one woman, but if I don't believe in god, won't that threaten the sanctity of their marriage as well?

Gotta ponder that one...

[curiosityandthecat]

If marriage is a sacred institution granted by god... when will they be coming after atheists for getting married?  Yes, we're one man and one woman, but if I don't believe in god, won't that threaten the sanctity of their marriage as well?

Gotta ponder that one...

No need to ponder it at all. That's exactly what they think and why they hate us! Well, partially why they hate us.  

[DeathSShead1488]

Way to stereotype people who hate gays as religious only.

I believe in evolution, I believe in genetics.

Being gay is not ok, it is not normal. Born with it? So what. Retarded people are born retarded also.
We must preserve the species. Being gay goes against everything, and no we are not overpopulated(speaking for the white race, which makes 7% of the world population).

Being gay is a disease, and we should kill all gays at childhood.

Seriously, why are you letting sympathy get in the way of progression?

[karadan]

Way to stereotype people who hate gays as religious only.

I believe in evolution, I believe in genetics.

Being gay is not ok, it is not normal. Born with it? So what. Retarded people are born retarded also.
We must preserve the species. Being gay goes against everything, and no we are not overpopulated(speaking for the white race, which makes 7% of the world population).

Being gay is a disease, and we should kill all gays at childhood.

Seriously, why are you letting sympathy get in the way of progression?

Can someone ban this fucking idiot please?

[Kyuuketsuki]

Can someone ban this fucking idiot please?

Again agreed, he's not (by my definition at least) a troll but he is a serious a**wipe!

Kyu

[Stoicheion]

Hey Curio, where's your Permabanned clip?