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How i found God

Started by wazzz, October 13, 2008, 05:54:04 PM

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wazzz

The Truth About God
First of all i would like to say that i’m a free thinker and i guess u are too
I have studied so many things about God and the creation of the universe i had these few points
some  Theories says that the universe was one way or in another A perfect result of Evolution  that makes since to me or to any one
Another say most in religion books that god made all that in 7 days according to some books
The Million Bucks Question is How The universe created is so confusing really it is according to the first theory
The world must change by now the changes would take Millions and Billions of years but I thought about that long time ,and found eventually it makes no sense at all. Darwin talked about the evolution of the living things  but some time according to him evolution takes about 100 or 1000 years or more
but evolution if it would be right thing to talk about must take at least so much time for 50000000 years to Apes to be Humans that is if wouldn’t take more
even a small creature can’t evolutes  that easy in few years (i mean in hundreds ) I told u guys it’s so confusing
so i would say in Scientifically it’s wrong  
so we have only one explanation that is the second
i ‘ve been studding religions Jew-Christianity â€"Islam
i must say Christianity is so lame and their god can’t be done for many thing
According to them God is knowing,Loving ,…..
and would do anything to prevent harm away from us
but any one can tell me how come there are wars starvations disasters in the World ! Where is Bibble God
I don’t know it’s more than fantasy
more reality .The most thing that shocked me that in The Medieval times
Any one who says that the earth is round ,any one who works in Chemistry
for example the Mighty POPE burn him to death ,i don’t know some lunatic says that the man walking on moon is a Great American Media Lie the man couldn’t go to the moon imagine that !!!
if that is true then i would say the earth is not round and Pope is right but not
Sorry pope LOL!
So According to following God can’t be and won’t be exist
Now Jews
Every Time that i hear the religions word i don’t know i think about jews
Their God can be real if u know
The Jew God is more like Blood Thirst more than merciful one
if u notice Some jew-Hamas religious groups (AS i like to call them )
The thought that the god only love the jew people and any other religion must(including Islam â€"Christianity ) be destroyed unfortunately  that’s true but no one talk about it even the jew them selves .cos it’s way too old thinking but there are people they think that way
Modern Isreal Don’t recognize The religion now and we see that the ones who are,are so lame and needs to update their believes
i read about it so much and The world is full of Blood And disasters so Jew God can be real but What Kind of God love X people and All of the rest just go to hell ????
So this say driving me to say that the Jew God could be real but if he does Exist i would tell u that is a crappy thing cos only jew can go to Paradise
but at least Jew God don’t say that the Earth is not round

On The other Hand Islam God like the Christian God mercifull and like human and to be honest i think that Muslim god Is the most Realistic one
for the following reason
IN Islam The God created Human after A sin of Adam And Eve
(it’s in Bibble too) they went to Earth as A punishment
This life According To Islam is just a Hard Test from God if u obay him u’re going to be so happy after-life
I was Admired By Quran i read the other books in Jew-Christian
but the Quran is the most thing to be impressed  to read
I’m not a Muslim(i’m from Greece :lol:  (: by now but i wanted to share what i know with u guys and tell me what do u think :eek:
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curiosityandthecat

My response is a simple question: why confine yourself to previously constructed concepts of god?

The chances of any of them being absolutely true are... well, about as good as the chances of there being an absolutely good god. But good luck on your quest!   :)
-Curio

Kyuuketsuki

Quote from: "wazzz"The Truth About God
First of all i would like to say that i’m a free thinker and i guess u are too

Maybe you are, maybe you aren’t but your post is rather confusing worded so it’s hard to tell.

I read the meaning of the word/phrase “freethinker” to mean much the same as “bright! i.e. free from mythical beliefs etc.

Quote from: "wazzz"Darwin talked about the evolution of the living things  but some time according to him evolution takes about 100 or 1000 years or more
but evolution if it would be right thing to talk about must take at least so much time for 50000000 years to Apes to be Humans that is if wouldn’t take more
even a small creature can’t evolutes  that easy in few years (i mean in hundreds ) I told u guys it’s so confusing
so i would say in Scientifically it’s wrong

Although he may not have recognised the true time scales involved, I was not under the impression that Darwin looked at the time to evolve to be in the hundreds/thousands ... anyone else have any views on this claim. I know the theory of evolution has itself “evolved” since Darwin’s time but there are no serious workers in the field that I know of that suggest his theory is unscientific.

Also, I presume you are aware that the theory of evolution doesn’t say that apes evolved into humans aren’t you? What it actually explains is that humans are one of the 5 great ape species and that the other great apes and humans have a common ancestor at some point in their past.

Quote from: "wazzz"And my Search To the Ultimate God has just Begun

So you are a believer?

Kyu
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Perillux

Quote from: "wazzz"Darwin talked about the evolution of the living things  but some time according to him evolution takes about 100 or 1000 years or more
but evolution if it would be right thing to talk about must take at least so much time for 50000000 years to Apes to be Humans that is if wouldn’t take more
even a small creature can’t evolutes  that easy in few years (i mean in hundreds ) I told u guys it’s so confusing
so i would say in Scientifically it’s wrong

It will be extremely difficult for humans to evolve rapidly nowadays.  Because there are soooo many of us, and because any strange mutations would be looked negatively upon by society.

Are you aware that thousands of entirely new species are found here on earth each year?  Where do you think they come from?  God must be very busy.
No, it is direct evidence of evolution.

It's more difficult for larger creatures to evolve because of the complexity, sometimes it leads to death, other times it leads to them being outcast or incapable of mating.  Also, even if it can reproduce, there is no guarantee that the mutation will pass over to the young.
"The boldness of asking deep questions may require unforeseen flexibility if we are to accept the answers."
--The Elegant Universe, Brian Greene

Whitney

Hi wazz...that was a very long post.  I'm just going to comment on what jumped out at me.

Evolution..please study it a bit more.  As far as the vast majority of scienitsts are concerned it is a fact.  Also, Darwin's theory (and modern understanding of biological evolution)has nothing to do with how life started or how the earth got here.  I couldn't really follow what you were saying to try to explain what you find to be at fault with the idea of evolution.

Koran...the sea and river waters do mix.  Have you ever been to the beach where the rivers run into the sound.  I believe the scientific term is brackish water (I didn't bother looking it up again)...it's where the salt and fresh waters mix.

Squid

Quote from: "laetusatheos"Koran...the sea and river waters do mix.  Have you ever been to the beach where the rivers run into the sound.  I believe the scientific term is brackish water (I didn't bother looking it up again)...it's where the salt and fresh waters mix.

Runoffs into the rivers which pour into the oceans which contain massive amounts of chemicals such as fertilizers are responsible for the problems of "dead zones" in the oceans - areas of hypoxic water:

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=oceanic-dead-zones-spread

Rivers definitely flow into the oceans.

QuoteThe Million Bucks Question is How The universe created is so confusing really it is according to the first theory
The world must change by now the changes would take Millions and Billions of years but I thought about that long time ,and found eventually it makes no sense at all. Darwin talked about the evolution of the living things  but some time according to him evolution takes about 100 or 1000 years or more
but evolution if it would be right thing to talk about must take at least so much time for 50000000 years to Apes to be Humans that is if wouldn’t take more
even a small creature can’t evolutes  that easy in few years (i mean in hundreds ) I told u guys it’s so confusing
so i would say in Scientifically it’s wrong

I think you misunderstand several things - including what Darwin wrote and what evolution explains.  These sites should help you start to understand better:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/origin.html

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/index.shtml

wazzz

First i wanna say that i'm that Atheist  on the other hand not  that religious .
seconded i searched for free thinker idem and got what it represent really thanx KYU
About Evolution theory i just discovered that my thoughts need to be recondition and rebuild thanx all

About The idea that’s from Quran i’m really sorry but i reasked a muslim  friend about it  she told me that it’s not the river but i got the Idea Wrong and sorry for that it’s the sea
Some Times u can see a Salty Areas and some times there is unsalty Areas  in the sea next to each other and that’s an amazing  fact  i’ll bring some websites that confirm that idea this was in Quran 1400 years ago
i’m not encouraging to Islam and there is lots of ideas that i don’t like in that religion as well as the jew

And thanx all u guys for ur precious  argument  :)
thanx Squid for the useful links  :D
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Squid

Quote from: "wazzz"First i wanna say that i'm that Atheist  on the other hand not  that religious .
seconded i searched for free thinker idem and got what it represent really thanx KYU
About Evolution theory i just discovered that my thoughts need to be recondition and rebuild thanx all

About The idea that’s from Quran i’m really sorry but i reasked a muslim  friend about it  she told me that it’s not the river but i got the Idea Wrong and sorry for that it’s the sea
Some Times u can see a Salty Areas and some times there is unsalty Areas  in the sea next to each other and that’s an amazing  fact  i’ll bring some websites that confirm that idea this was in Quran 1400 years ago
i’m not encouraging to Islam and there is lots of ideas that i don’t like in that religion as well as the jew

And thanx all u guys for ur precious  argument  :)
thanx Squid for the useful links  :D

No problemo, always glad to help. Let me know if there's anything else I can help with in that area.  :beer:

wazzz

Quote from: "Squid"
Quote from: "wazzz"First i wanna say that i'm that Atheist  on the other hand not  that religious .
seconded i searched for free thinker idem and got what it represent really thanx KYU
About Evolution theory i just discovered that my thoughts need to be recondition and rebuild thanx all

About The idea that’s from Quran i’m really sorry but i reasked a muslim  friend about it  she told me that it’s not the river but i got the Idea Wrong and sorry for that it’s the sea
Some Times u can see a Salty Areas and some times there is unsalty Areas  in the sea next to each other and that’s an amazing  fact  i’ll bring some websites that confirm that idea this was in Quran 1400 years ago
i’m not encouraging to Islam and there is lots of ideas that i don’t like in that religion as well as the jew

And thanx all u guys for ur precious  argument  :)
thanx Squid for the useful links  :D

No problemo, always glad to help. Let me know if there's anything else I can help with in that area.  :beer:  :beer:  :beer:  :beer:  :beer:
Drink till u get Wild man  :beer:  :beer:
Drinking is the best thing there is  roflol
int main()
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