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Started by EvolutionCalling, July 08, 2008, 02:06:45 AM

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Whitney

#15
July 08, 2008, 04:11:54 AM
The add right now is interesting...apparently catholic is associated for keywords related to McCain.

Smallville

#16
July 08, 2008, 02:11:24 PM
This is one of the mysteries of the Christian religion I could never quite fathom, even when I was a "believer".

What is so important about an act of cannibalism? We would share the flesh and blood of another. Blehh.
Two wrongs don't make a right but three left turns will.

"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." â€" Nietzsche
"Just think of the tragedy of teaching children not to doubt." - Clarence Darrow

EvolutionCalling

#17
July 08, 2008, 06:02:53 PM
I think we're missing the big picture.  This guy stole Jesus Christ.  It takes major balls to kidnap an entire religion's savior!

susangail

#18
July 08, 2008, 06:38:05 PM
Quote from: "Smallville"This is one of the mysteries of the Christian religion I could never quite fathom, even when I was a "believer".

What is so important about an act of cannibalism? We would share the flesh and blood of another. Blehh.
Communion at my church was always when you remember what Christ did for you while drinking sparkling grape juice and eating a gross cracker (which you could hoard in your purse all you wanted, I did when I didn't want to take communion), usually involved lots of crying and re-dedications. It was symbolic of the Last Supper. I never really thought of it as cannibalism. I don't know, sounds crazy but even now it doesn't seem to creep me out...
When life gives you lemons, make orange juice and let the world wonder how you did it.

Chimera

#19
July 08, 2008, 07:21:36 PM
It's generally just the Catholics who believe it literally becomes Christ's body and blood. I was raised in the Lutheran church, and in my Catechism classes (oh yes, fun times those were...) we were taught it was symbolic, not literal. If someone ran off with the cracker (we used matzoh and kosher wine at my church), no biggie. It would probably just get you some odd stares from the old folks.
"I refuse to believe in a god who is the primary cause of conflict in the world, preaches racism, sexism, homophobia, and ignorance, and then sends me to hell if I’m 'bad.'" â€" Mike Fuhrman

Evolved

#20
July 09, 2008, 03:50:20 AM
eBay eBay eBay eBay eBay eBay...

I would gladly trade my potato that looks like Elvis for a Bit O'Christ!
"Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense."
Chapman Cohen

EvolutionCalling

#21
July 09, 2008, 03:53:25 AM
I'm sorry, but we do NOT negotiate with terrorists.  Jebus knew the risks involved.

Loffler

#22
July 09, 2008, 08:14:31 AM
Quote from: "Evolved"eBay eBay eBay eBay eBay eBay...

I would gladly trade my potato that looks like Elvis for a Bit O'Christ!


Glad to know I'm not the only one who got dollar signs in his eyes when he read this story. Ka-CHING!

I saw we organize and commandeer some more wafers all over the world.

MariaEvri

#23
July 09, 2008, 12:44:19 PM
Quote from: "Chimera"It's generally just the Catholics who believe it literally becomes Christ's body and blood.

The orthodox believe that too
a teaspoon of red wine is the blood and a small piece of bread (not waffle) is the body. You could take the bread though and save it for later (I think the bread is for those who didnt go for the wine... and/or for women in period... I never undrestood those rules)
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MariaEvri

#24
July 09, 2008, 12:47:24 PM
Quote from: "Loffler"
Quote from: "Evolved"eBay eBay eBay eBay eBay eBay...

I would gladly trade my potato that looks like Elvis for a Bit O'Christ!


Glad to know I'm not the only one who got dollar signs in his eyes when he read this story. Ka-CHING!

I saw we organize and commandeer some more wafers all over the world.

I can contribute too XD
God made me an atheist, who are you to question his wisdom!
www.poseidonsimons.com

Smallville

#25
July 09, 2008, 03:06:48 PM
Quote from: "susangail"
Quote from: "Smallville"This is one of the mysteries of the Christian religion I could never quite fathom, even when I was a "believer".

What is so important about an act of cannibalism? We would share the flesh and blood of another. Blehh.
Communion at my church was always when you remember what Christ did for you while drinking sparkling grape juice and eating a gross cracker (which you could hoard in your purse all you wanted, I did when I didn't want to take communion), usually involved lots of crying and re-dedications. It was symbolic of the Last Supper. I never really thought of it as cannibalism. I don't know, sounds crazy but even now it doesn't seem to creep me out...

The act of transubstantiation is one of the strong tenets of the church - not just that it's a symbolic sharing of a "Last Supper" but that it was the actual blood and flesh transformed from wine and bread so that we "shared" the body of Christ and became one. In the Liturgy it quotes from Matthew 26:26 - 28  
"And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.     
"And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
"For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."

The orthodox/conservative branches of the faith certainly do take it verbatim that wine and bread turn into blood and flesh. And if that ain't an act of cannibalism (one of the few things that does gross me out) ...
Two wrongs don't make a right but three left turns will.

"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." â€" Nietzsche
"Just think of the tragedy of teaching children not to doubt." - Clarence Darrow

Evolved

#26
July 09, 2008, 03:25:52 PM
Quote from: "Smallville""And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

I heard that he said "See this cracker?  Eat me".  I bet it got lost in translation. :P
"Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense."
Chapman Cohen

Smallville

#27
July 09, 2008, 03:51:02 PM
Quote from: "Evolved"
Quote from: "Smallville""And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

I heard that he said "See this cracker?  Eat me".  I bet it got lost in translation. :P


I guess you're reading the Red (neck) Lettered edition.
Two wrongs don't make a right but three left turns will.

"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything." â€" Nietzsche
"Just think of the tragedy of teaching children not to doubt." - Clarence Darrow

susangail

#28
July 09, 2008, 06:44:14 PM
Quote from: "Smallville"The act of transubstantiation is one of the strong tenets of the church - not just that it's a symbolic sharing of a "Last Supper" but that it was the actual blood and flesh transformed from wine and bread so that we "shared" the body of Christ and became one. In the Liturgy it quotes from Matthew 26:26 - 28  
"And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.     
"And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
"For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."

The orthodox/conservative branches of the faith certainly do take it verbatim that wine and bread turn into blood and flesh. And if that ain't an act of cannibalism (one of the few things that does gross me out) ...
Hmm... my church I guess was a little more laid-back then. Unless I misunderstood (which is always possible) I was taught the Last Supper thing. I'm also one that never thought of the resurrected Jesus as a zombie or whatever. But when the transubstantiation is described like that, I can see the cannibalism... and can't help thinking of Lector...
When life gives you lemons, make orange juice and let the world wonder how you did it.

Evolved

#29
July 10, 2008, 08:22:08 PM


It's a miracle!  The guy needs to shave his knuckles, though.
"Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense."
Chapman Cohen
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