Who created you?

[Lexxvs]

Here is a question for you all?

Is it a question or a preaching intend to all of us?  

now theyre are certain Books out there "the bible" that describes events.  Do you Believe them?

I don’t “believe” them, not I can take any reasonable thought out of them. Just as matter of study for sociology or anthropology, or even literature or history (but not upon the fantasies described into the sacred books, that is).  

Or do you believe in history and science?

I trust â€"as “belief” can be confused with simple blindness without enquiry-  in the ability of science for supporting his evidence, therefore anything I decide to follow can be studied by me if I take the effort. I also now that sciences stands as the best explanations currently available, and that â€"au contraire than religious dogma- it evolves toward better accuracy. So, is not perfection claimed, and can be questioned given the science methodical scheme.    

And that Man Creates everything?

Man “creates” out of his ability. His creations spans huge ranges, his limits not reached yet. But to claim “everything” is a logical fallacy. Unless “everything” is redefined in other context that you didn’t offer. Whatever man creates stems as product of the logic of the universe that he studies, and not out of magical prodigies. So he is limited but resourceful and adding brick after brick day after day.  

Jesus was a man by the way and also divine in nature.

If Jesus was a "someone", was just a man, with all human defects. And his divine nature is just what his followers claim under religious belief. His story is a tale, undefined mixture of raccontos and fantasy touched decades after decades till it took some form. Many of the stories attributed to Jesus are extremely useful to their apostles or their followers, thus anyone with certain base can argue that the they made that Jesus talk like a puppet, if suitable to their aims. Otherwise, it’s just plain faith.

I am not trying to make you believe, but if you think of the facts...the reasoning only sugests that God created man.

The reasoning of the facts aims exactly towards the opposite direction. Your confusion can only be deemed as ignorance on what reasoning is and lack of openness to anything strictly scientific. Gods do not depend on reasoning, neither are you to make such nonsensical claim.    

Every living and non living thing was created by something.

That’s a fallacy due whether to utter ignorance or just language reduction badly applied. As -semantically- creation relies on a creator and creator relies on a kind of consciousness you try to link the events with a fallacy. What you call creation can be called evolution, and any “creation” can rely on, and is dependent of natural physical circumstances. There is no factual evidence of vacuum to claim anything came from that, and much less the gods doing such a job. Au contraire, an analysis â€"made with thoughtful understanding- points towards permanence through extreme changes. Your view is a “born and die” subjective human thought applied to the universe, but the universe do not have to be slave of it.  

Or are we all just dreaming and nothing exists.....But feel your hand, look at yourself in the mirror, have a glass of wine or something, can you feel?  if you do then it means that you are alive!

We feel and we dream. Not only that, we can also have fantasies and write fairy tales books. But the difference is that we don’t make them “religion”. We know they stay in the dream world. We exists, we can feel, we are alive, and we are not doped by religion and lies.

One more question does anyone hav children?  Who created that child...It was you and a parnter of love.  Someone created something and it keeps repeating, and who knows God can be your great ancestor that initatied the mold for your personal existance today!

Biology, medicine, and â€"again- etcetera (etcetera relies on the thread that is science as a paradigm) explain the children origin, our origin. Love is real too, but we don’t need to cover it up with religious tales and fascinated conundrums. Is your god real? Ask him to give you the astounding knowledge to improve your reasoning and you persuasion skills. There is no god, but that could make you take a double effort on what you write.

Remember, is not at all the same to speak/write to uneducated and somehow religious folks, than to do it to people used to think and dismember everything that you assert.

Peace!

Peace and reason!

I am a noob here, but I love debates and I am deeply involved spirtualy.

Hope that deeply is not "I don't care whatever the truth is, as long as I make it the way I like it to be"
Next time just try to make one and only one assertion to make the dialogue easier.

[Opsamk]

I believe that I was created directly by my parents who were part of this limitless process of evolution. An evolution sparked by the many possibilities such as the laws of physics, matter and consciousness of this living universe, a universe I believe to be God him/herself.

[nikkixsugar]

One more question does anyone hav children?  Who created that child...

I don't have kids, but I can very well tell you who created me. My mom and my dad having a one night stand in a very un-godly fashion.

I personally think that "my parent bumping uglies/playing hide the pickle/sausage" would be much funnier. Good reply, though. With the exception of the troll part, at least give JerimiahPeace mercy because he is a self-described "noob". I agree with you on pretty much everything else you've said.........ever. It was just that one thing. (just wanted to clarify.)

[Asmodean]

One more question does anyone hav children?  Who created that child...

I don't have kids, but I can very well tell you who created me. My mom and my dad having a one night stand in a very un-godly fashion.

I personally think that "my parent bumping uglies/playing hide the pickle/sausage" would be much funnier. Good reply, though. With the exception of the troll part, at least give JerimiahPeace mercy because he is a self-described "noob". I agree with you on pretty much everything else you've said.........ever. It was just that one thing. (just wanted to clarify.)

Well, the reply I used there was plain truth, nothing more.

As for troll-comment, I asked him not to be a troll and told him why I though his post was trollish, did I not?  

[leftyguitarjoe]

Jeremiah, your religion causes you to want to stay ignorant of the workings of the universe.

How did the universe begin?

How did life orginiate?

These are just two questions out of many that scientists are working toward understanding every day, and if religious folk had their ways, we would never find out. We'd simply give up an say "god did it". THAT is unacceptable.

[Asmodean]

Jeremiah, your religion causes you to want to stay ignorant of the workings of the universe.

How did the universe begin?

How did life orginiate?

These are just two questions out of many that scientists are working toward understanding every day, and if religious folk had their was, we would never find out. We'd simply give up an say "god did it". THAT is unacceptable.

I give you a big, red   QFT  

[leftyguitarjoe]

Jeremiah, your religion causes you to want to stay ignorant of the workings of the universe.

How did the universe begin?

How did life orginiate?

These are just two questions out of many that scientists are working toward understanding every day, and if religious folk had their was, we would never find out. We'd simply give up an say "god did it". THAT is unacceptable.

I give you a big, red   QFT  :hmm:

I'm sorry, for I am unfamiliar with this acronym

[Asmodean]

Quantum Field Theory?

Haha, nono, QFT as a forum acronym stands for "Quoted for Truth". In this case, "Quote for Truth"  

[leftyguitarjoe]

Quantum Field Theory?

Haha, nono, QFT as a forum acronym stands for "Quoted for Truth". In this case, "Quote for Truth"  

ah. well thank you then!!

[nikkixsugar]

One more question does anyone hav children?  Who created that child...

I don't have kids, but I can very well tell you who created me. My mom and my dad having a one night stand in a very un-godly fashion.

I personally think that "my parent bumping uglies/playing hide the pickle/sausage" would be much funnier. Good reply, though. With the exception of the troll part, at least give JerimiahPeace mercy because he is a self-described "noob". I agree with you on pretty much everything else you've said.........ever. It was just that one thing. (just wanted to clarify.)

"Well, the reply I used there was plain truth, nothing more.

As for troll-comment, I asked him not to be a troll and told him why I though his post was trollish, did I not?"  [/quote]


You have a point. When I first saw you replied to me I was like "Ahhh! It's Asmodean! Please don't kill me!". hehe.

[Asmodean]

You have a point. When I first saw you replied to me I was like "Ahhh! It's Asmodean! Please don't kill me!". hehe.

Why, but Asmodean doesn't bite, does he? *picture of innocence*  

[nikkixsugar]

You have a point. When I first saw you replied to me I was like "Ahhh! It's Asmodean! Please don't kill me!". hehe.

Why, but Asmodean doesn't bite, does he? *picture of innocence*  

You are pretty ominous! I've noticed that talking to some of the HAF mucky-mucks (As Kathy Griffin would say). You know, Mods, Addicts, and such, is like chatting with Dawkins (not that I've had the pleasure of doing so) minus the English accent and class. Okay, that's going to get me killed.    hahahaha. jk, many of you are very classy.

[Asmodean]

You are pretty ominous! I've noticed that talking to some of the HAF mucky-mucks (As Kathy Griffin would say). You know, Mods, Addicts, and such, is like chatting with Dawkins (not that I've had the pleasure of doing so) minus the English accent and class. Okay, that's going to get me killed.    hahahaha. jk, many of you are very classy.

Haha! Asmo The Ominous! I like the sound of that! :-D Nah, we are a nice bunch, we are :-P