Christians bombard teen activist with hate and abuse.

[Ransom]

I think this guy is a POE.

I mean there's just no way!

I'm sorry, but I don't quite know the definition of a POE. Could you enlighten? Thanks.

[Recusant]

They used to say a prayer everyday in Public Schools. That's how it started out leastways. Now their so fricking PC that they've banned the pledge of allegiance in some schools (if not all) because it mentions "God"

In which schools have they banned the Pledge of Allegiance, Ransom? I don't want to hear about "a school in Massachusetts." There was a decision in Massachusetts to no longer make it mandatory for students to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, and there was a (NO) vote on an article which had been proposed which would have banned the Pledge of Allegiance late last year, but I am unaware of any public school district in the US which has actually banned the Pledge of Allegiance. If you know of any, then I would appreciate it if you would provide a citation from a reputable source to back up your assertion.

Feel free to ignore this post, just as you have my earlier post in this thread. Doing so is evidence that you're not here for honest dialog.

[Sandra Craft]

Probably not a great deal of money, but it is the principle of the thing.....

This is one of those cases when it really is the principle of the thing.  No publickly funded organization should appear to favor any religion over another, and I'd prefer if they just step out of the religion business altogether by not putting up any religious displays.  No point in giving theocracy even the slightest toe-hold, and whatever worship the kids need to do can be done on their own time and/or at home.  

And that's one thing I've always wondered when Xtian parents (and it is mainly Xtians) complain about kids not praying in school -- don't they pray at home with their parents and isn't that enough?  And why does every kid at the school need to be compelled to follow Xtian religious practices while on campus?  If prayer needs that much peer reinforcement I think the problem is in the religious home, not the public school.

Do you know how incredibly weak your... uh... (is atheism a religion?) sounds, if you believe that you can't even have the American pledge of Allegiance just because it mentions a God?

I'm all for the Pledge of Allegiance, I just prefer the original one that doesn't mention "under god" -- wording that was added in 1954 as part of the national disgrace of the communist witch hunts.

Let's ban There's a wocket in my pocket by Dr. Seuss since it mentions something that even though it doesn't exist, the book assumes that people who don't believe in wockets are wrong.

Do you truly not understand that the separation of church and state does not involve separation of church and society?

[xSilverPhinx]

I think this guy is a POE.

I mean there's just no way!

I'm sorry, but I don't quite know the definition of a POE. Could you enlighten? Thanks.

Poe's law

[Ali]

Do you know how incredibly weak your... uh... (is atheism a religion?) sounds, if you believe that you can't even have the American pledge of Allegiance just because it mentions a God? Let's ban There's a wocket in my pocket by Dr. Seuss since it mentions something that even though it doesn't exist, the book assumes that people who don't believe in wockets are wrong.

LOL!!!  You're silly.  I am not opposed to anyone saying anything at all that they want in a book.  What someone writes in a book and what they post in a public space that belongs to all of us are two completely different issues.

The Pledge of Allegiance doesn't threaten my atheism, I just don't believe that it's the government's place to show preference for one belief system over another.  I don't want the pledge to say "One nation, under NO god."  I just want them to leave god out of it all together so that we can all be equal.  

Try and imagine that the shoe was on the other foot.  Imagine that atheists were the majority in this country, and we wanted to hang signs that say "There is no god" all over public buildings, and make believers say "One nation, with no god" if they want to pledge allegiance to their country.  Would that be constitutional?  Or would you feel that we should hang our "There is no God" signs in our own houses and say "There is no god" on our own time?

[Ransom]

Do you know how incredibly weak your... uh... (is atheism a religion?) sounds, if you believe that you can't even have the American pledge of Allegiance just because it mentions a God? Let's ban There's a wocket in my pocket by Dr. Seuss since it mentions something that even though it doesn't exist, the book assumes that people who don't believe in wockets are wrong.

LOL!!!  You're silly.  I am not opposed to anyone saying anything at all that they want in a book.  What someone writes in a book and what they post in a public space that belongs to all of us are two completely different issues.

The Pledge of Allegiance doesn't threaten my atheism, I just don't believe that it's the government's place to show preference for one belief system over another.  I don't want the pledge to say "One nation, under NO god."  I just want them to leave god out of it all together so that we can all be equal.  

Try and imagine that the shoe was on the other foot.  Imagine that atheists were the majority in this country, and we wanted to hang signs that say "There is no god" all over public buildings, and make believers say "One nation, with no god" if they want to pledge allegiance to their country.  Would that be constitutional?  Or would you feel that we should hang our "There is no God" signs in our own houses and say "There is no god" on our own time?

It wouldn't matter anyway. The way things are today, you could more than likely get away with it.

[Whitney]

Do you know how incredibly weak your... uh... (is atheism a religion?) sounds, if you believe that you can't even have the American pledge of Allegiance just because it mentions a God? Let's ban There's a wocket in my pocket by Dr. Seuss since it mentions something that even though it doesn't exist, the book assumes that people who don't believe in wockets are wrong.

Would you be willing to pledge one nation under Satan?  I doubt it.  I'm sure you'd put up a pretty big fuss if all schools were reciting that pledge in the morning.

The REAL pledge doesn't even mention God...god was added in the 50s during the red scare.

Not to mention that I'm unaware of any school that has banned saying the pledge...it's just not legally permissible to force students to recite it.

If schools start forcing kids to recite Dr. Seuss despite religious objection then we can discuss it...otherwise that's just a red herring.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

[Ali]

Do you know how incredibly weak your... uh... (is atheism a religion?) sounds, if you believe that you can't even have the American pledge of Allegiance just because it mentions a God? Let's ban There's a wocket in my pocket by Dr. Seuss since it mentions something that even though it doesn't exist, the book assumes that people who don't believe in wockets are wrong.

LOL!!!  You're silly.  I am not opposed to anyone saying anything at all that they want in a book.  What someone writes in a book and what they post in a public space that belongs to all of us are two completely different issues.

The Pledge of Allegiance doesn't threaten my atheism, I just don't believe that it's the government's place to show preference for one belief system over another.  I don't want the pledge to say "One nation, under NO god."  I just want them to leave god out of it all together so that we can all be equal.  

Try and imagine that the shoe was on the other foot.  Imagine that atheists were the majority in this country, and we wanted to hang signs that say "There is no god" all over public buildings, and make believers say "One nation, with no god" if they want to pledge allegiance to their country.  Would that be constitutional?  Or would you feel that we should hang our "There is no God" signs in our own houses and say "There is no god" on our own time?

It wouldn't matter anyway. The way things are today, you could more than likely get away with it.

I'll take that to mean that you concede that it wouldn't be constitutional or right if it were the other way around (after all "getting away with it" implies that you are doing something wrong.)  Nice doing business with you!

[Tank]

Do you know how incredibly weak your... uh... (is atheism a religion?) sounds, if you believe that you can't even have the American pledge of Allegiance just because it mentions a God? Let's ban There's a wocket in my pocket by Dr. Seuss since it mentions something that even though it doesn't exist, the book assumes that people who don't believe in wockets are wrong.

LOL!!!  You're silly.  I am not opposed to anyone saying anything at all that they want in a book.  What someone writes in a book and what they post in a public space that belongs to all of us are two completely different issues.

The Pledge of Allegiance doesn't threaten my atheism, I just don't believe that it's the government's place to show preference for one belief system over another.  I don't want the pledge to say "One nation, under NO god."  I just want them to leave god out of it all together so that we can all be equal.  

Try and imagine that the shoe was on the other foot.  Imagine that atheists were the majority in this country, and we wanted to hang signs that say "There is no god" all over public buildings, and make believers say "One nation, with no god" if they want to pledge allegiance to their country.  Would that be constitutional?  Or would you feel that we should hang our "There is no God" signs in our own houses and say "There is no god" on our own time?

It wouldn't matter anyway. The way things are today, you could more than likely get away with it.

If that's the best you can come back with it illustrates your incapability to rationally support your position.

[superfes]

The way things are today...

I don't understand why you say this like you don't already have things your way, the nation is predominately undereducated (read Christian) so you get laws your way, you get to discriminate freely without being chastised by your peers and you get to be complete dick because your Savior has already and will always absolve your dickish sinful nature.

So it sounds like the world is your oyster... why do you flag your post with such disdain for people whom merely want the freedom you already have, do we not all deserve freedom?

o_O

[Tank]

Now people who really should know better demonstrate their sickening religion fulled bigotry.

R.I. State Rep calls teen atheist 'evil little thing' - secular America responds

In what many find to be an open display of bigotry, Rhode Island State Representative Peter Palumbo recently referred to teen atheist Jessica Ahlquist as "an evil little thing."

In addition to calling Ahlquist an "evil little thing," Palumbo also made the claim that "she (Ahlquist) is being coerced by evil people;" the implication being that atheists and other secular Americans are "evil."

Palumbo made his offensive and insulting remarks late last week on the John DePetro Radio Show, a Rhode Island talk radio program.

Palumbo's wholesale slander of an entire community is being challenged by atheists, freethinkers and other secular Americans. This weekend an intense campaign of protest began to register complaint and disgust with Palumbo's derogatory and disrespectful remarks...

[superfes]

Now people who really should know better demonstrate their sickening religion fulled bigotry.

R.I. State Rep calls teen atheist 'evil little thing' - secular America responds

In what many find to be an open display of bigotry, Rhode Island State Representative Peter Palumbo recently referred to teen atheist Jessica Ahlquist as "an evil little thing."

In addition to calling Ahlquist an "evil little thing," Palumbo also made the claim that "she (Ahlquist) is being coerced by evil people;" the implication being that atheists and other secular Americans are "evil."

Palumbo made his offensive and insulting remarks late last week on the John DePetro Radio Show, a Rhode Island talk radio program.

Palumbo's wholesale slander of an entire community is being challenged by atheists, freethinkers and other secular Americans. This weekend an intense campaign of protest began to register complaint and disgust with Palumbo's derogatory and disrespectful remarks...

Wow, and people wonder why groups of people other than Christians are starting to fight for things >_>

[xSilverPhinx]

Now people who really should know better demonstrate their sickening religion fulled bigotry.

R.I. State Rep calls teen atheist 'evil little thing' - secular America responds

In what many find to be an open display of bigotry, Rhode Island State Representative Peter Palumbo recently referred to teen atheist Jessica Ahlquist as "an evil little thing."

In addition to calling Ahlquist an "evil little thing," Palumbo also made the claim that "she (Ahlquist) is being coerced by evil people;" the implication being that atheists and other secular Americans are "evil."

Palumbo made his offensive and insulting remarks late last week on the John DePetro Radio Show, a Rhode Island talk radio program.

Palumbo's wholesale slander of an entire community is being challenged by atheists, freethinkers and other secular Americans. This weekend an intense campaign of protest began to register complaint and disgust with Palumbo's derogatory and disrespectful remarks...

Wow, and people wonder why groups of people other than Christians are starting to fight for things >_>

They don't want their right to discriminate and remain unchallenged taken away from them. They absolutley hate it when the abuse they spew out is turned on them. Of course.

The way I see it, some people should really grow some thicker skins.

Jessica Ahlquist is incredibly brave because she stands up to people like those Christians who find it so easy to make those kind of remarks. Moral courage, you know.

[Ali]

I wrote Rep. Palumbo a short little note to tell him what I think of state representatives who think that upholding the US Constitution is "evil."  I hope he gets absolutely inundated with little notes like that....

[superfes]

I wrote Rep. Palumbo a short little note to tell him what I think of state representatives who think that upholding the US Constitution is "evil."  I hope he gets absolutely inundated with little notes like that....

Maybe someone should set up a web site that facilitates this sort of action... o_O