Egor's Proof of God

[Whitney]

I'm not enjoying this conversation anymore...so I'm done; at least for now.

btw, egor...this is what begging the question means http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question#Definition

Most of your proofs of god fall under it.

[Asmodean]

btw, egor...this is what begging the question means http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question#Definition

Ah, but you see, that there is a Wikipedia reference. Have you any idea how many evil bastards out there just sit and write misinformation articles on begging and questions?!

[xSilverPhinx]

When you have a dream and you're walking down a road, what is the road made of? It's the same way with God.

A simulacrum?

That's the first time you've said anything that I actually agree with!

[Sandra Craft]

When you have a dream and you're walking down a road, what is the road made of? It's the same way with God.

A simulacrum?

That's the first time you've said anything that I actually agree with!

So to boil this down probably too far, gods exist only in the imagination or can only be perceived thru the imagination?  I would certainly go along with that one, but it doesn't leave a whole lot of room for making an arguement that a specific god is the "real" one.

[The Magic Pudding]

So to boil this down probably too far, gods exist only in the imagination or can only be perceived thru the imagination?  I would certainly go along with that one, but it doesn't leave a whole lot of room for making an arguement that a specific god is the "real" one.

But god has talked to Egor, you don't argue with god.

[DeterminedJuliet]

So to boil this down probably too far, gods exist only in the imagination or can only be perceived thru the imagination?  I would certainly go along with that one, but it doesn't leave a whole lot of room for making an arguement that a specific god is the "real" one.

But god has talked to Egor, you don't argue with god Egor.

fixed

[xSilverPhinx]

When you have a dream and you're walking down a road, what is the road made of? It's the same way with God.

A simulacrum?

That's the first time you've said anything that I actually agree with!

So to boil this down probably too far, gods exist only in the imagination or can only be perceived thru the imagination?  I would certainly go along with that one, but it doesn't leave a whole lot of room for making an arguement that a specific god is the "real" one.

Simulacrums are also responsible for our ability to hold entire conversations in our heads with people that are not physically present. Evolutionary psychology would say that it's a result of our evolved theory of mind, that is the capacity to see different minds with different motivations in people that are not ourselves. A very important social tool.

Anyways, this is a fascinating topic, and I'll recommend Why We Believe in Gods (roughly 1 hour long), in which he explains what use religions make of our evolved cognition.

[Egor]

My dreams are made of neurons and electrical pulses, chemical changes within my brain.

So then you're not really conscious?

So by your definition time does not exist

No. Time is illusory. It's part of the physical universe, but it is an illusion. No time is passing. Never has. For that matter, so is motion and place.

So to boil this down probably too far, gods exist only in the imagination or can only be perceived thru the imagination?  I would certainly go along with that one, but it doesn't leave a whole lot of room for making an arguement that a specific god is the "real" one.

When I said it's like a dream, I meant that the universe is like a dream God is having, like some kind of super-lucid dream. Have you ever had a lucid dream?

[Stevil]

My dreams are made of neurons and electrical pulses, chemical changes within my brain.

So then you're not really conscious?

I presume that me consciousness is just like everyone else's, a longing running process driven by the amazing organ called the brain. It can receive, store, process and interprete data. It gives me the illusion of self, the illusion of emotions, the illusion of free will. It is fascinating stuff.

Problem is that some theists over simplify it and think that the mind is a metaphysical object rather than a concept. That the self (or soul) is a metaphysical object rather than a concept.

[history_geek]

...the universe is like a dream God is having...

I've laways kinda liked this paticular idea, since not only is it good for some idle, late night philosophical pondering, it gives a whole new depth to the question "Are you a god?", which in itself leads to more, idle, late night philosophical pondering

Not that it ever leads anywhere, but I am easily entertained  

Other then that, Egor, you are again making the leap of faith when you claim that should there be a being in whose (or whats) dream we are in, is a "god" of any striped, let alone that of a human religion. "Begging the question", I believe it was...?

[Egor]

I presume that me consciousness is just like everyone else's, a longing running process driven by the amazing organ called the brain. It can receive, store, process and interprete data. It gives me the illusion of self, the illusion of emotions, the illusion of free will. It is fascinating stuff.

Good. That's very consistent with the implications of atheism. Damn, I might have actually met a real one at long last.

So, we're just kind of mutually stimulating each others brain here. No real purpose to it, it's just something that's happening in the chaos of the universe?

(Edited to fix quote. -- Recusant)

[Stevil]

I presume that me consciousness is just like everyone else's, a longing running process driven by the amazing organ called the brain. It can receive, store, process and interprete data. It gives me the illusion of self, the illusion of emotions, the illusion of free will. It is fascinating stuff.

Good. That's very consistent with the implications of atheism. Damn, I might have actually met a real one at long last.

So, we're just kind of mutually stimulating each others brain here. No real purpose to it, it's just something that's happening in the chaos of the universe?

Absolutely no purpose.
You can create a purpose for yourself if you want one though.

[xSilverPhinx]

I presume that me consciousness is just like everyone else's, a longing running process driven by the amazing organ called the brain. It can receive, store, process and interprete data. It gives me the illusion of self, the illusion of emotions, the illusion of free will. It is fascinating stuff.

Good. That's very consistent with the implications of atheism. Damn, I might have actually met a real one at long last.

Free of whiney insecurity, isn't that wonderful?