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The hijab and us

Started by Sandra Craft, November 26, 2011, 06:32:41 PM

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The Magic Pudding

I first heard this as a radio play, I can't find an audio file of it.

You can join this site free for seven days and read it in full.

I do enjoy the movie equivalents of fast food, though it is good to consume something real occasionally.


QuoteThe story of Alana Valentine's new play SHAFANA AND AUNT SARRINAH
Award-winning playwright Alana Valentine takes up Buzo's astonishingly enduring themes through the story of a young Australian-born Muslim woman, who turns to the religion of her heritage for answers after the September 11 attacks in 2001, resulting in a deep experience of faith and a controversial decision to wear the hijab. SHAFANA AND AUNT SARRINAH is partly a plea for understanding, partly a bellow of rage from Muslim Australian women about the ignorance and misunderstanding that surrounds the wearing of the traditional Muslim headscarf. Based thoroughly on personal interviews and produced with the sustained support of a large number of Muslim women from a diversity of Muslim cultures, this short play addresses theatrical and social questions about representation, religious freedom and inter-generational conflict raised by Buzo. SHAFANA AND AUNT SARRINAH likewise will surprise audiences with its portrait of Afgani Muslim women who are articulate, highly educated, deeply spiritual and profoundly enraged by the portrait that is painted of them in the Australian and global media as oppressed, meek, and silent.

Asmodean

Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on November 26, 2011, 06:52:19 PM
Employers are just hyper-sensitive about the cultural messages their workers send out and whether it fits in with their own business image.
Pfft! On hot enough days, I have been known to wear above-knee shorts and one of those tank tops that looks like chainmail - you can see right through it. Completely unpunished by the employer who did not recieve a single complaint from the customers.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

DeterminedJuliet

Quote from: Asmodean on November 27, 2011, 10:19:02 AM
Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on November 26, 2011, 06:52:19 PM
Employers are just hyper-sensitive about the cultural messages their workers send out and whether it fits in with their own business image.
Pfft! On hot enough days, I have been known to wear above-knee shorts and one of those tank tops that looks like chainmail - you can see right through it. Completely unpunished by the employer who did not recieve a single complaint from the customers.

Yeah, I guess some employers are more sensitive than others.

Next time I think you should try wearing actual chainmail, though. See how that goes.
"We've thought of life by analogy with a journey, with pilgrimage which had a serious purpose at the end, and the THING was to get to that end; success, or whatever it is, or maybe heaven after you're dead. But, we missed the point the whole way along; It was a musical thing and you were supposed to sing, or dance, while the music was being played.

Asmodean

Quote from: DeterminedJuliet on November 27, 2011, 11:44:18 AM
Next time I think you should try wearing actual chainmail, though. See how that goes.
Too expensive for me, and I have changed employer to someone who REALLY gives no fuck at all about what I look, smell or sound like as long as I get the job done (Although there can be some occasional begging for proper attire when meeting clients, which I ignore)

Former employer was a small store, just to pay my petrol bills while studying, and they were pretty much of the same opinion - as long as the quality of my work is good, the quality of my clothes or hairdo is secondary. And customers, they didn't care. They didn't come there to gawk at me - they came for newspapers and soda and hot dogs and all kinds of overpriced crap... Although I did get a few mutters out of some seriously bearded muslim in a silly hat once.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

OldGit

I know a lot of Moslem women choose to wear the Burqa because it's their tradition, and I know a lot of Europeans feel uneasy about it.  It's really a clash of prejudices instilled in childhood.
In Tunisia last year a local lady went in our hotel pool in the full kit: black robes to the ankle, the lot.  Apparently it's quite common, but I'd never seen it before.  I struggled not to laugh openly, then I got over it.  Mind you, she wasn't swimming lengths, that would have been a bit hard.  ;D

Norfolk And Chance

I think the reason I object to burkhas on muslim women and also great big beards on muslim men is because they are advertising the fact that they are fucking deluded, and proud of it. It really fucks me off.
Reality is the stuff that doesn't go away when you stop believing in it ~ Matt Dillahunty

DeterminedJuliet

Quote from: OldGit on November 27, 2011, 01:05:35 PM
I know a lot of Moslem women choose to wear the Burqa because it's their tradition, and I know a lot of Europeans feel uneasy about it.  It's really a clash of prejudices instilled in childhood.
In Tunisia last year a local lady went in our hotel pool in the full kit: black robes to the ankle, the lot.  Apparently it's quite common, but I'd never seen it before.  I struggled not to laugh openly, then I got over it.  Mind you, she wasn't swimming lengths, that would have been a bit hard.  ;D

Holy moly, that's one way to burn some extra calories during a swim, I guess. Wouldn't she be terribly uncomfortable after she got out? I've fallen into a lake with full clothes on, it's not very comfy squishing about afterwards.
"We've thought of life by analogy with a journey, with pilgrimage which had a serious purpose at the end, and the THING was to get to that end; success, or whatever it is, or maybe heaven after you're dead. But, we missed the point the whole way along; It was a musical thing and you were supposed to sing, or dance, while the music was being played.

Sweetdeath

Yeah, they do seem openly deluded, Norfolk.

I tend to laugh because my friend keeps saying "look, ninjas!" Whenever one passes our view.
Law 35- "You got to go with what works." - Robin Lefler

Wiggum:"You have that much faith in me, Homer?"
Homer:"No! Faith is what you have in things that don't exist. Your awesomeness is real."

"I was thinking that perhaps this thing called God does not exist. Because He cannot save any one of us. No matter how we pray, He doesn't mend our wounds.

Sandra Craft

Quote from: Sweetdeath on November 27, 2011, 03:57:40 AM
Ever heard of brain washing people from a very young age?

That can be said of any cultural practice or belief, anywhere.  Plenty of Muslims have beliefs about us stemming from their perceptions of our culture that are just flat wrong -- I don't think it's far-fetched that we would also have misconceptions about their practices and beliefs.
Sandy

  

"Life is short, and it is up to you to make it sweet."  Sarah Louise Delany

OldGit

Quote from: DeterminedJulietHoly moly, that's one way to burn some extra calories during a swim, I guess. Wouldn't she be terribly uncomfortable after she got out? I've fallen into a lake with full clothes on, it's not very comfy squishing about afterwards.

We left the pool before she did, but we just assumed she'd change into dry kit afterwards.  For all we know, that was her swimming hijab which she changed into first.  I'm glad to say her little boy and girl were in ordinary costumes and having a good time.  The husband sat on a lounger and looked on.
A friend who has been an ex-pat all over the Middle East reckons it's normal, but she avoided these pools because the robes made them filthy.

Sandra Craft

Quote from: OldGit on November 27, 2011, 05:09:08 PM
Quote from: DeterminedJulietHoly moly, that's one way to burn some extra calories during a swim, I guess. Wouldn't she be terribly uncomfortable after she got out? I've fallen into a lake with full clothes on, it's not very comfy squishing about afterwards.

We left the pool before she did, but we just assumed she'd change into dry kit afterwards.  For all we know, that was her swimming hijab which she changed into first.  I'm glad to say her little boy and girl were in ordinary costumes and having a good time.  The husband sat on a lounger and looked on.
A friend who has been an ex-pat all over the Middle East reckons it's normal, but she avoided these pools because the robes made them filthy.

I know I've seen a picture of a woman surfing in a burqa somewhere, but when I went looking this is as close as I got: muslim women with surfboards

The outfit they're wearing is called a "burqini", altho I think the bikini concept is entirely lost.
Sandy

  

"Life is short, and it is up to you to make it sweet."  Sarah Louise Delany

Asmodean

Quote from: OldGit on November 27, 2011, 05:09:08 PM
but she avoided these pools because the robes made them filthy.
I too avoid public swimming pools because there is ALWAYS someone making it filthy in some more or less creative way, from scabs to crap.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Sweetdeath

Burqkini...?
Damn, that's lame.
Law 35- "You got to go with what works." - Robin Lefler

Wiggum:"You have that much faith in me, Homer?"
Homer:"No! Faith is what you have in things that don't exist. Your awesomeness is real."

"I was thinking that perhaps this thing called God does not exist. Because He cannot save any one of us. No matter how we pray, He doesn't mend our wounds.

Sandra Craft

Quote from: The Magic Pudding on November 27, 2011, 05:27:54 AM
You can join this site free for seven days and read it in full.

Thanks for that link, I'm off the read the play now.  And I think I'll follow it with the one about Satan in Arizona.
Sandy

  

"Life is short, and it is up to you to make it sweet."  Sarah Louise Delany