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The Bible Summed Up In One Short Sentence

Started by Earthling, October 28, 2011, 07:22:14 PM

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Earthling

In the likely event that I should go missing I want to impart upon you a simple summation of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. It can be summed up in this way, and is important to be able to grasp it's meaning.

The Bible is about the vindication of Jehovah God's name through the ransom sacrifice of Christ Jesus.

That's it. If you are interested and if I am allowed to continue here, where I think there is a potential for some good conversation, I would be happy to discuss it with you.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires, seek discipline and find your liberty. Frank Herbert

OldGit

A sickening tale of a vindictive old loony up in the sky, who massacres his own family in a fit of paranoid delusion.  ;D

Asmodean

Ah, yes..! God the absolute power in the universe needed the blood of his kid to stop being pissed at some backward civilization in some back corner of a tiny solar system on the outskirts of some random galaxy...

That makes perfect sense, you know... If you think the universe revolves around you, which would be arrogant enough for Yahweh himself.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Recusant

Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 07:22:14 PM
In the likely event that I should go missing...

Where are you planning on going, that you feel you'll go missing?

Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 07:22:14 PMI want to impart upon you a simple summation of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. It can be summed up in this way, and is important to be able to grasp it's meaning.

The Bible is about the vindication of Jehovah God's name through the ransom sacrifice of Christ Jesus.

That's it. If you are interested and if I am allowed to continue here, where I think there is a potential for some good conversation, I would be happy to discuss it with you.

Why did YHVH's name need vindication?
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration — courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and above all, love of the truth."
— H. L. Mencken


Stevil

Please explain not through symbolism but through real terms, how blood sacrifice of a human benefits anyone (people and/or gods).
In your explanation, please also recognise that your beloved Jesus was allegedly human and hence would have died anyway at some point, be it old age, syphilis, leprosy, appendicitis, food poisoning, you name it.

Personally I find the crucifixion story overly melodramatic and rather tedious. The dude had to die at some point.
Then the f*cker supposedly comes back, in the flesh making the whole death act somewhat meaningless. But then he magically disappears again. Give me a break.

Stevil

Quote from: Recusant on October 28, 2011, 07:52:35 PM
Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 07:22:14 PM
In the likely event that I should go missing...

Where are you planning on going, that you feel you'll go missing?
Is this in the same way that Jesus went missing, after he came back from death?
Are you the second coming?
LOL

Earthling

Quote from: OldGit on October 28, 2011, 07:26:56 PM
A sickening tale of a vindictive old loony up in the sky, who massacres his own family in a fit of paranoid delusion.  ;D

Remember how I told you I like your avatar? The reason is that if the average idiot on the street sees that guy coming he will think the guy is something to be avoided. Crazy, dirty . . . but add 100 pounds and a red suit and the same idiot will pay the same guy to sit in a mall with his kids on his lap.

That is how fucked up people are. Both perspectives, the seasonal and the other, are nonsense.

You say it is a sickening tale of a vindictive old loony up in the sky etc.

Actually it is the creator trying to, and eventually succeeding in saving his creation from its own self destruction.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires, seek discipline and find your liberty. Frank Herbert

Earthling

Quote from: Asmodean on October 28, 2011, 07:31:05 PM
Ah, yes..! God the absolute power in the universe needed the blood of his kid to stop being pissed at some backward civilization in some back corner of a tiny solar system on the outskirts of some random galaxy...

That makes perfect sense, you know... If you think the universe revolves around you, which would be arrogant enough for Yahweh himself.

The trouble is there is only so much I can do with these types of answers, which seem more emotional than rational to me.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires, seek discipline and find your liberty. Frank Herbert

Ildiko

Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 07:22:14 PM
In the likely event that I should go missing....

Well, martyred for the cause, on the Internet! Fuck me gently with a chainsaw, where are the emoticons when you need them?

Earthling

Quote from: Recusant on October 28, 2011, 07:52:35 PM
Where are you planning on going, that you feel you'll go missing?

I have never challenged an atheist nor theist community without being quickly removed from it. I'm not so arrogant as to think my superior logic (considering myself having the intellectual capacity, of, say Winnie The Pooh and the relevance of plywood) as the problem.   

Quote from: Recusant on October 28, 2011, 07:52:35 PMWhy did YHVH's name need vindication?

Because it was challenged by Satan and Adam. God created Adam to live forever in paradise Earth. To fill and subdue it. He then rested to give man the opportunity to do so. An angel, the most beautiful of angels, was placed in a closed off area of the planet. That angel deceived Eve. The Hebrew word satan means adversary or resistor, the word devil means slanderer, liar.

Eve was deceived but not Adam. Adam listen to Eve and decided for himself that he would get to know, that is, have an intimate knowledge based upon experience , put simply to continue to decide for himself what was good and what was bad. He challenged Jehovah's sovereignty.  Jehovah, having given Adam the earth, in the name of justice, decided that it was only fair to let man give it his best shot without any interference from God. God allowed this, up to a point. The point of destruction. He won't allow a few to spoil it for all.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires, seek discipline and find your liberty. Frank Herbert

Asmodean

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Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 08:31:09 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on October 28, 2011, 07:31:05 PM
Ah, yes..! God the absolute power in the universe needed the blood of his kid to stop being pissed at some backward civilization in some back corner of a tiny solar system on the outskirts of some random galaxy...

That makes perfect sense, you know... If you think the universe revolves around you, which would be arrogant enough for Yahweh himself.

The trouble is there is only so much I can do with these types of answers, which seem more emotional than rational to me.
Ok, I shall rephrase:

With the universe as vast and diverse as the one we inhabit, why would gods even care what some backward civilization in some back corner of a tiny solar system on the outskirts of some random galaxy is up to, unless what they are up to is a diret threat to them?

One would assume, and not without reason, that being the superpower in the universe, Yahweh wouldn't be threatened by actions of such. To put it in comparison: You don't get pissed off at a mosquito trying to suck some blood out of you - you slap the thing dead and move on, or simply ignore it. You do not go around giving mosquitos a second chance, knowing that they will still do what mosquitos do. By much the same, only on a far grander scale, as powerful as Abrahamic theists make their god sound, we should be FAR beneath its notice.

To assume otherwise, since assume is all we can do when speaking of gods, would be baseless and arrogant.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Earthling

Quote from: Stevil on October 28, 2011, 07:58:40 PM
Please explain not through symbolism but through real terms, how blood sacrifice of a human benefits anyone (people and/or gods).
In your explanation, please also recognise that your beloved Jesus was allegedly human and hence would have died anyway at some point, be it old age, syphilis, leprosy, appendicitis, food poisoning, you name it.

Blood is the life, it is sacred and it belongs to God. Ezekiel 18:4 says that the soul dies, it belongs to God. God created life and considers it his responsibility. This is why the blood of an animal must be drained before eating the animal. It demonstrates that the life is Jehovah's, he allows us eat the flesh, but the soul, the blood must be poured onto the ground as God's.

Genesis 9:3-4 - Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to you. Only flesh with its soul - its blood - you must not eat.

So for the spilling of blood there can only be one means of obtaining justice. The spilling of blood. In other words if a person murders another person that person's blood must be spilled. If a murder victim was found without anyone knowing who spilt the blood the nearest village to the scene was held responsible and justice could only be had by the sacrifice of a bull. See Deuteronomy 21:1-9. At Numbers 35:26-27 you see the city of refuge where an accidental man-slayer could go for protection against having his own blood spilt by the family of the slayed. If the accidental man-slayer left the protection of that area he could be slayed.

The nation of Israel was formed to provide laws for a people, and a Messiah. The one willing to sacrifice his earthly blood for the blood of Adam and all of Adam's offspring. All of us who would accept it. Only Jesus could have done this because only Jesus was without sin as Adam had been before he sinned.

The laws and the sacrifices existed as a temporary and imperfect system. To educate the people of their sin, the need for a Messiah, and blood sacrifice for sin.

Quote from: Stevil on October 28, 2011, 07:58:40 PMPersonally I find the crucifixion story overly melodramatic and rather tedious. The dude had to die at some point.
Then the f*cker supposedly comes back, in the flesh making the whole death act somewhat meaningless. But then he magically disappears again. Give me a break.

Well, he was a spirit creature in heaven before coming here as Jesus. When he came back it wasn't with the same body, which is why some who knew him well didn't recognize him at first.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires, seek discipline and find your liberty. Frank Herbert

Stevil

Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 08:44:49 PM
I have never challenged an atheist nor theist community without being quickly removed from it. 
I have been a member of a couple of Christain forums now.
I have never received a warning or been banned.
The reason is certainly not because Christians are more tolerant. The reason is because of the way I behave, the approach I use to debate/discuss things. I offer an opinion, and back this up with reason, logic, references etc

Most theists that get banned on this forum are those that simply preach and offer nothing with regards to trying to have a conversation or substantiate their claims.

Earthling

Quote from: Stevil on October 28, 2011, 08:00:53 PM
Is this in the same way that Jesus went missing, after he came back from death?
Are you the second coming?
LOL

Don't you think it rather likely that even in my best behavior I will be removed from this forum?

As for the second coming that is religious nonsense. The Bible never indicates that Jesus would return in physical form, but that he would return his attention back to Earth, where he would be in spirit. Jesus' return is often thought to be in the physical form of a man, but scripture never speaks of his return in such a manner.

Skeptics use John 14:19 in support that Jesus return would not be visible and parallel accounts given at Matthew 24:30 / Mark 13:26 and Luke 21:27 as well as Revelation 1:7 in support that his return would be visible.

John 14:19 - Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

Jesus was telling his disciples that the world would see him no more because he would be put to death, but they would see him again because he would be resurrected and he would resurrect them in spirit upon their deaths. The verse has nothing to do with his return to Earth. Paul later confirms this by saying that, in spirit form no man has seen Jesus and none will, unless they be changed into spirit form. (1 Timothy 6:14-16 / 2 Corinthians 5:14 / 1 Peter 3:18)

At Matthew 24:30 the Greek word horao is translated "see" but can also mean to discern. A Greek-English Lexicon, by Liddell and Scott, says of horao "metaphorically, of mental sight, discern, perceive." - 1948 edition, pages 1244, 1245. This metaphorical perception can also be confirmed by Paul's use of horao at Romans 1:20 where things are invisible yet perceived.

Clouds are typically used in a symbolic sense to signify the presence of God (Isaiah 63:9 / 1 Kings 8:10-12)
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires, seek discipline and find your liberty. Frank Herbert

Stevil

Quote from: Earthling on October 28, 2011, 08:29:53 PM
Actually it is the creator trying to, and eventually succeeding in saving his creation from its own self destruction.
So again, you have simply just made stuff up.

I am very disappointed considering your original post and your initial answers to my questions. You talked about your position being based on cold hard facts.
If this is the truth then please present your facts to substantiate that your god is a creator and that we are its creation and that your god succeeded in saving us from self destruction.

Facts please.