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Atheism, neurobiology, and pleasure

Started by bandit4god, October 24, 2011, 03:39:58 PM

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Too Few Lions

Quote from: Attila on October 26, 2011, 06:33:17 AM
And value....  ??? Beyond having fun, nothing else matters but there are many ways of having fun.
I couldn't agree more, I'll raise another glass of wine to your epicurian wisdom later this evening  :D

Velma

Quote from: Tank on October 26, 2011, 11:58:30 AM
Quote from: Attila on October 26, 2011, 10:49:09 AM
Quote from: Velma on October 26, 2011, 10:15:41 AM
Given a quiet place and a few minutes to meditate and this atheist can conjure up those same feelings - no deity required. It's all neurochemistry.
Please Velma, neurochemistry and kittens
Nothing beats the lovingkindness of the people of fur.
Velma is a cat owner (house maid), she knows the routine  ;D
Cant believe I forgot the kittens!  I am part of the staff for three indoor cats and a varying number of strays and ferals who find food and shelter on/under our back deck.
Life is but a momentary glimpse of the wonder of the astonishing universe, and it is sad to see so many dreaming it away on spiritual fantasy.~Carl Sagan

xSilverPhinx

I would love to have a kitten, but I don't think my dog would approve.  :(
I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey


Tank

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 26, 2011, 07:19:55 PM
I would love to have a kitten, but I don't think my dog would approve.  :(
Of course your dog would approve! I expect it would like some live food for a change  ;D
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

xSilverPhinx

Quote from: Tank on October 26, 2011, 07:30:20 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 26, 2011, 07:19:55 PM
I would love to have a kitten, but I don't think my dog would approve.  :(
Of course your dog would approve! I expect it would like some live food for a change  ;D

Heh, didn't expect that play on words. ;D
I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey


Attila

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 26, 2011, 07:19:55 PM
I would love to have a kitten, but I don't think my dog would approve.  :(
I can witness through personal experience that dogs may coexist with cats. (Didn't some US president once say that? Well, nevertheless it's true). I give you the example of Icaro (the dog) and Numa (the cat). It only works though if the cat is there first. Please remove dog. Insert cat. Then reinsert dog and you'll be fine.

OldGit

I used to have trouble just getting the cat out of the dog.  :'(

Sandra Craft

Quote from: Attila on October 26, 2011, 10:49:09 AM
Quote from: Velma on October 26, 2011, 10:15:41 AM
Given a quiet place and a few minutes to meditate and this atheist can conjure up those same feelings - no deity required. It's all neurochemistry.
Please Velma, neurochemistry and kittens
Nothing beats the lovingkindness of the people of fur.

And puppies.  Make no mistake, I'm a true blue cat lover but dogs are adorable and sympatico.
Sandy

  

"Life is short, and it is up to you to make it sweet."  Sarah Louise Delany

Xjeepguy

Miss my cat :( Wish I could convince the landlord here to let me have one. Cats have a way of making you feel better when you are stressed or not feeling well.
If I were re-born 1000 times, it would be as an atheist 1000 times. -Heisenberg

xSilverPhinx

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Quote from: Attila on October 26, 2011, 08:00:44 PM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 26, 2011, 07:19:55 PM
I would love to have a kitten, but I don't think my dog would approve.  :(
I can witness through personal experience that dogs may coexist with cats. (Didn't some US president once say that? Well, nevertheless it's true). I give you the example of Icaro (the dog) and Numa (the cat). It only works though if the cat is there first. Please remove dog. Insert cat. Then reinsert dog and you'll be fine.

I'm sure my dog would get along fine with a cat after the initial wary suspicion, I just wouldn't leave her alone with one (maybe more for her sake rather than the cat's ;)). She's a big, silly and clumsy German Shepard, and can certainly fit an entire kitten in her mouth, but a docile one and has never hurt a fly.  
I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey


xSilverPhinx

Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on October 27, 2011, 01:57:07 AM
[And puppies.  Make no mistake, I'm a true blue cat lover but dogs are adorable and sympatico.

How about a pet fox? They look a bit like feline-ish dogs...



I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey


Sandra Craft

Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 27, 2011, 02:43:45 AM
How about a pet fox? They look a bit like feline-ish dogs...

I understand they've been experimenting in Russia with domesticating foxes, and it's going much faster then any of them expected.  Foxes are beyond cute (in fact, I think they could win a cute war with lambs) but I'm a little unsettled about detaching another species from the wild.
Sandy

  

"Life is short, and it is up to you to make it sweet."  Sarah Louise Delany

Tank

Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on October 27, 2011, 06:10:31 AM
Quote from: xSilverPhinx on October 27, 2011, 02:43:45 AM
How about a pet fox? They look a bit like feline-ish dogs...

I understand they've been experimenting in Russia with domesticating foxes, and it's going much faster then any of them expected.  Foxes are beyond cute (in fact, I think they could win a cute war with lambs) but I'm a little unsettled about detaching another species from the wild.

Domesticated silver fox

There was a facsinating TV programme about it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbcwDXhugjw

One would not be 'detaching' another species from the wild, as long as there was the wild population remains.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Sandra Craft

Quote from: Tank on October 27, 2011, 09:47:15 AM
One would not be 'detaching' another species from the wild, as long as there was the wild population remains.

True, but I'm still not comfortable with domesticating another species.  Domestication of other animals has always worked out well for us, but the domesticated animals really get the short end of the stick.
Sandy

  

"Life is short, and it is up to you to make it sweet."  Sarah Louise Delany

Whitney

Quote from: BooksCatsEtc on October 28, 2011, 02:40:27 AM
Domestication of other animals has always worked out well for us, but the domesticated animals really get the short end of the stick.

I don't know...dogs and cats seem to have the life; or perhaps my family just spoils our pets they are treated like furry children.