Sharia Law in UK!

[OhCheese]

This is what happen in UK and many other countries in Europe and North America. my question is : Are we gonna see Sharia Law take over all around Western World???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN6CHtGGo4g

[iSok]

Sharia (Path to the Source) concerns itself mostly with etiquette of daily routine.
Like the way to worship God, how to greet eachother and there are even recommendations on the way of drinking water.
Basically to enhance the relationship of the individual with God in order to prepare for the meeting with God.

You can't impose the Sharia on non-Muslims, since it's not a pure political ideology.
There are certain laws which are there to guarantee the safety of a Muslim state so the
Muslims can continue doing what they are meant to do; to worship God.

These people are idiots, they don't know what they are talking about and giving at the
same time the media food to publish. And sometimes it ends up with a nutcase killing innocent people to stop the invasion of Islam.
Relax, nothing is going too happen.

[OldGit]

And sometimes it ends up with a nutcase killing innocent people to stop the invasion of Islam.

I think you're referring to the Norwegian massacre there.  I don't think we'll see that kind of thing very often in Europe, but these Islamists certainly are alienating the majority population.  As people get poorer and more discontented, I fear we may see more open friction.

[Medusa]

I'm down for some of those laws to be honest. I mean the sheer number of rapists and child predators that get paroled is sickening. I'm up for some old fashioned stoning in the village center.

[Tank]

I'm down for some of those laws to be honest. I mean the sheer number of rapists and child predators that get paroled is sickening. I'm up for some old fashioned stoning in the village center.

So you are for the death penalty?

[Medusa]

I'm down for some of those laws to be honest. I mean the sheer number of rapists and child predators that get paroled is sickening. I'm up for some old fashioned stoning in the village center.

So you are for the death penalty?

Yes.
And yes, I have a up close and personal interaction with the complexities of the death penalty.I have a friend currently on death row for killing his parents in a drug stupor. He waited for them to come home from a trip over seas. Then killed both parents executioner's style. I believe the mother only made it through the front door hallway before being forced to kneel to her death. He was high. Apparently he was angry at his father for the way he was handling their drug business together. He's a quiet and friendly guy. I visited him a few times down here in county. But in the end he deserves to pay for his crime.

I was also raped as a child. And I have no problems having those people killed. Except for the fact the crimes were so horrific and I was such a young child (maybe between the ages of 5 to 11) that I have chunks of actual black memory blocks. I can remember up to certain scenes and then it all fades to black. Whatever happened in that blackness...some monsters should pay for with their very lives.

And I also am pro choice. Pretty much I'm up for killing because you want to, need to or are hungry. As long as you are up to pay for the full entire consequence of your actions.

[iSok]

And sometimes it ends up with a nutcase killing innocent people to stop the invasion of Islam.

I think you're referring to the Norwegian massacre there.  I don't think we'll see that kind of thing very often in Europe, but these Islamists certainly are alienating the majority population.  As people get poorer and more discontented, I fear we may see more open friction.

Yes, I was referring to that incident. But your comment shows how your mind is affected by the media without realising.
'Norwegian massacre', because it was done by a non-Muslim. 'Norwegian terrorist/terror strike' if it was done by a Muslim.

The reality is that Muslims in the east are terrified, they see themselves as the victims of a second crusade.
No one can explain why countries like Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded and the reality of the puppet regimes in countries
like Saudi-Arabia. It's only normal to see a response in some way, unfortunately the media is all about making 'hot' news.

I'm down for some of those laws to be honest. I mean the sheer number of rapists and child predators that get paroled is sickening. I'm up for some old fashioned stoning in the village center.

Sharia punishments are incredible cruel and terrifying. But they are not meant to be executed in reality but only to spread fear.
My uncle works as an architect in Saudi-Arabia so he has a good live. You can basically sleep in a park with all the jewels and necklaces
you can find, without anyone even touching you. (Note that the difference between the wealthy and the poor is far higher because
of the millions immigrants that are coming from countries like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and so on to work in Saudi).
Compare the crime rates of Saudi-Arabia and other Muslim states (that are peaceful and adhere to the Sharia) with that of the UK.
For example the amount of car thefts in the UK and Saudi-Arabia.

Saudi: 0.1 per 1000
UK: 5.6 per 1000 (Nationmaster.com)

If the government would change it's policy (not neglecting the immigrants for example) and delete the
tribal laws (which gives the royal family power) from it's constitution and fully adhere to the Sharia. Then crime would basically dissapear in Saudi.

The Sharia is not going to work in the UK, nor is it meant to be a political tool.
According to the Sharia: Alcohol is bad, Drugs are bad, Adultery is bad and so on.
Non-Muslims will no doubt frown upon this, if a society actually doesn't see this as wrong then
the Sharia has no place in that society, nor will it ever work.

[penfold]

This is what happen in UK and many other countries in Europe and North America. my question is : Are we gonna see Sharia Law take over all around Western World???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN6CHtGGo4g

Never trust Russia Today. This story is pure journo hype.

As I see it they've found four nut-bars given them a microphone and stuck a camera in the room.

I live in Tooting (a predominantly Muslim area of south London). Most of the restaurants don't serve alcohol. However they let you bring your own booze. Funny how that kind of daily compromise never makes it into the media...

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To pass a law in the UK you need a vote in both houses a parliament. As far as I am aware there are fewer than 15 Muslim MPs out of 650 in the house of commons - and none of them has ever stated they want Sharia in the UK. That ratio is even lower in the Lords. The idea that Sharia criminal* law is anywhere close is frankly stupid.

* We do allow some civil and family disputes to be ruled by Sharia law but only with the consent of both parties, and always operating under the 1998 Human Rights Act.

[OldGit]

The reality is that Muslims in the east are terrified, they see themselves as the victims of a second crusade.
No one can explain why countries like Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded and the reality of the puppet regimes in countries like Saudi-Arabia. It's only normal to see a response in some way, unfortunately the media is all about making 'hot' news.

That sounds reasonable and I suppose one can understand their fears.  Muslims need to understand the fears of the UK urban dweller about the massive influx of them, many of whom refuse to integrate, loudly condemn our way of life and show every sign of wanting to change our society by imposing their own rules.

Is it really a racist abomination for such people to say, "If you hate our way of life so much, why don't you go elswhere?"

[Gawen]

I'm down for some of those laws to be honest. I mean the sheer number of rapists and child predators that get paroled is sickening. I'm up for some old fashioned stoning in the village center.

Well then, you'll love the theocracy of America if it happens. Oh...but wait....you'll have to become a believer just like them and your boyfriend will have to convert or face deportation or death by stoning.

I can understand the death penalty in certain circumstances. But I can't understand the willingness of such a barbaric way of killing someone.

[Davin]

The reality is that Muslims in the east are terrified, they see themselves as the victims of a second crusade.
No one can explain why countries like Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded and the reality of the puppet regimes in countries like Saudi-Arabia. It's only normal to see a response in some way, unfortunately the media is all about making 'hot' news.

That sounds reasonable and I suppose one can understand their fears.  Muslims need to understand the fears of the UK urban dweller about the massive influx of them, many of whom refuse to integrate, loudly condemn our way of life and show every sign of wanting to change our society by imposing their own rules.

I have no problem with people making their own rules for their club as long as the real law is secular. I really don't see how sharia would take over the court systems and there is a very big difference between courts allowing a club to make rules that people voluntarily follow and a court upholding the rulings of the club. I.E.: Nothing wrong with a club excommunicating a member for not following the rules or a club asking a member for dues and the courts shouldn't be involved. There is something wrong with stoning people to death and the courts should prosecute the murderers as murderers regardless of the club rules.

Is it really a racist abomination for such people to say, "If you hate our way of life so much, why don't you go elswhere?"

That in itself, I do not think so. If it's meant against someone standing in a church/mosque/club house/home asking a person to vacate if they don't like the people there, then no. If it's meant against people to have them leave a country that allows other races and/or religions to practice their shit the way they want, then I think it very possibly is racist.

[Medusa]

I'm down for some of those laws to be honest. I mean the sheer number of rapists and child predators that get paroled is sickening. I'm up for some old fashioned stoning in the village center.

Well then, you'll love the theocracy of America if it happens. Oh...but wait....you'll have to become a believer just like them and your boyfriend will have to convert or face deportation or death by stoning.

I can understand the death penalty in certain circumstances. But I can't understand the willingness of such a barbaric way of killing someone.

I'm moving to Egypt to marry my Muslim boyfriend. So....

I can understand thinking it barbaric. The things done to me were barbaric. In fact I have an inate hate of being touched by anyone...even a hug by my own mother. Think long and hard what could cause a person to have a negative physical response to being touched by the people that love her. Think on that a while and then talk to me about the meaning of the word barbaric.

[Evilbeagle]

I have to disagree with Sharia Law but in the UK our law comes from one source: A democratically elected government.

I may not like or agree with certain existing laws but there are democratic pathways to argue the toss.

If people choose to come to our country and to make their homes here, I feel it is only right they should accept the laws here.

[Gawen]

I'm down for some of those laws to be honest. I mean the sheer number of rapists and child predators that get paroled is sickening. I'm up for some old fashioned stoning in the village center.

Well then, you'll love the theocracy of America if it happens. Oh...but wait....you'll have to become a believer just like them and your boyfriend will have to convert or face deportation or death by stoning.

I can understand the death penalty in certain circumstances. But I can't understand the willingness of such a barbaric way of killing someone.

I'm moving to Egypt to marry my Muslim boyfriend. So....

I can understand thinking it barbaric. The things done to me were barbaric. In fact I have an inate hate of being touched by anyone...even a hug by my own mother. Think long and hard what could cause a person to have a negative physical response to being touched by the people that love her. Think on that a while and then talk to me about the meaning of the word barbaric.

Alright. The meaning of 'barbaric' is possessing of or characteristic of a cultural level more complex than primitive savagery but less sophisticated than advanced civilization usually marked as having a bizarre, primitive, or unsophisticated quality.

Slow death by stoning, slow death by hanging and slow death by asphyxiation, clitoral circumcision, subjugation of women (just five examples), what in my worldview are barbaric as described above. Yet you would willingly marry into a religion that has many, if not all of the qualifiers of the definition of 'barbaric'.

What happened to you is/was unfortunate, perverted and wrong. And I understand the concept of revenge. I don't know what to tell you...other than I hope your anger is lessened over time and that with appropriate help your unfortunate psychological problems will go away or become lessened enough to enjoy a hug from those who love you.

[iSok]

I'm down for some of those laws to be honest. I mean the sheer number of rapists and child predators that get paroled is sickening. I'm up for some old fashioned stoning in the village center.

Well then, you'll love the theocracy of America if it happens. Oh...but wait....you'll have to become a believer just like them and your boyfriend will have to convert or face deportation or death by stoning.

I can understand the death penalty in certain circumstances. But I can't understand the willingness of such a barbaric way of killing someone.

I'm moving to Egypt to marry my Muslim boyfriend. So....

I can understand thinking it barbaric. The things done to me were barbaric. In fact I have an inate hate of being touched by anyone...even a hug by my own mother. Think long and hard what could cause a person to have a negative physical response to being touched by the people that love her. Think on that a while and then talk to me about the meaning of the word barbaric.

Alright. The meaning of 'barbaric' is possessing of or characteristic of a cultural level more complex than primitive savagery but less sophisticated than advanced civilization usually marked as having a bizarre, primitive, or unsophisticated quality.

Slow death by stoning, slow death by hanging and slow death by asphyxiation, clitoral circumcision, subjugation of women (just five examples), what in my worldview are barbaric as described above. Yet you would willingly marry into a religion that has many, if not all of the qualifiers of the definition of 'barbaric'.

What happened to you is/was unfortunate, perverted and wrong. And I understand the concept of revenge. I don't know what to tell you...other than I hope your anger is lessened over time and that with appropriate help your unfortunate psychological problems will go away or become lessened enough to enjoy a hug from those who love you.

Locking a human being in a cage like a dog for life is not counted as barbaric?
Sharia law might be extremely cruel, but it's doing exactly what it's meant to do.
Out of fear of punishment people will abstain from any form of crime.

Compare the crime of rates of countries like Saudi, Oman, Qatar and UAE with that of US or GB. (See nationmaster.com for yourself)
Note that the Sharia is fractured in these countries, the ruling class (tyrants) fear that an authentic sharia
will end their dominion.