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Hi, not Atheist

Started by bicycle, June 24, 2011, 10:55:33 PM

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Sweetdeath

Welcome to the forum if you are not a troll. 
I feel an incredible sense of freedom not being tied down by religion or God. I hope you can learn something from the members here. They are some of the nicest people!

Law 35- "You got to go with what works." - Robin Lefler

Wiggum:"You have that much faith in me, Homer?"
Homer:"No! Faith is what you have in things that don't exist. Your awesomeness is real."

"I was thinking that perhaps this thing called God does not exist. Because He cannot save any one of us. No matter how we pray, He doesn't mend our wounds.

bicycle

That's cool, like ur pic, that seems to be the idea with everyone on here, I just don't get why people decide they are tied down by God, IMO I can only tie down myself. Physically I guess a strong person could probably tie me down but that's beside the point lol :)

Sweetdeath

Lol! I dunno why, but I pictured you wrestling a bear.
Law 35- "You got to go with what works." - Robin Lefler

Wiggum:"You have that much faith in me, Homer?"
Homer:"No! Faith is what you have in things that don't exist. Your awesomeness is real."

"I was thinking that perhaps this thing called God does not exist. Because He cannot save any one of us. No matter how we pray, He doesn't mend our wounds.

bicycle

LMAO a bear trying to tie me down would be pretty crazy, sounds like a nightmare haha

The Magic Pudding

Quote from: bicycle on June 25, 2011, 12:14:45 AM

lol it's gonna take forever to get to 50...

It seemed to take less than three hours, must be a record for a bicycle.

Welcome

Recusant

Quote from: bicycle on June 25, 2011, 12:01:12 AM
Quote from: Recusant on June 24, 2011, 11:58:03 PM
So if not believing in a god is pointless, is believing in a god also pointless?

In my opinion no, it would be similar to believing in yourself, or in others.

There is reasonable evidence that you exist.  There is reasonable evidence that others exist.  Where is the reasonable evidence for any god?

Quote from: bicycle on June 25, 2011, 12:07:51 AM
If the idea of God exists, why would people deny it?, even if it is not physically existing, neither is my plans for the future, but I still believe in them. Do you believe ideas can be destroyed?

The idea of a teapot orbiting the sun exists, why would people deny that?  The idea of hobbits living happily in Middle Earth exists, why would people deny that?  An idea doesn't necessarily have anything to do with reality. How does the question of whether ideas can be destroyed relate to this line of discussion?
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration — courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and above all, love of the truth."
— H. L. Mencken


Whitney

Quote from: bicycle on June 25, 2011, 12:15:29 AM
might as well just post a bunch of crap

Hi, welcome to the forum and thanks for proving that it's not hard to get 50 posts.

However, keep in mind that posting "a bunch of crap" is the kind of behavior that will get you restricted to the 50 post area even if you have more than 50 posts. ;)  Frankly I should push you back in there since you broke the rules of the 50 area but I'll give you a chance to show that you are serious before I do that.

Gawen

Quote from: bicycle on June 24, 2011, 10:55:33 PM
Hi I just wanna know what the advantage is to not believing in God,
Freedom.

QuoteI personally feel that this way of thinking is pointless.
Removing the shackles of religious repression is not pointless.
The essence of the mind is not in what it thinks, but how it thinks. Faith is the surrender of our mind; of reason and our skepticism to put all our trust or faith in someone or something that has no good evidence of itself. That is a sinister thing to me. Of all the supposed virtues, faith is not.
"When you fall, I will be there" - Floor

xSilverPhinx

Quote from: bicycle on June 24, 2011, 11:54:04 PM
lol great some interaction, well, tbh to define god would be as hard to do as defining yourself, if I had to do it with words I guess I would say the reason behind the madness or the ultimate perspective but in my case I don't think I could possibly be fully accurate some people say god is love but I jsut don't find that to be adequate, how do you define no God?

???

That's just the thing, I can't define no god before you define the idea that god represents to you.

If by "god" you mean whatever caused the universe and you to exist, then I can't deny that. I can however dispute the idea that whatever that cause is is intelligent and capable of consciously designing a universe with purpose. That's what "no god" would be, for that definition.
I am what survives if it's slain - Zack Hemsey


Asmodean

Quote from: bicycle on June 24, 2011, 10:55:33 PM
Hi I just wanna know what the advantage is to not believing in God
Having never experienced the alternative, I have no subjective opinion on this matter.

QuoteI personally feel that this way of thinking is pointless.
Reverse argument.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Gawen

Quote from: bicycle on June 24, 2011, 11:03:15 PM
Atheism is appealing to me in the fact that it is a reaction to former beliefs...It was created because of a belief in God.
Well, I have to disagree on this one because all humans are born with a lack of belief in god/s.
The essence of the mind is not in what it thinks, but how it thinks. Faith is the surrender of our mind; of reason and our skepticism to put all our trust or faith in someone or something that has no good evidence of itself. That is a sinister thing to me. Of all the supposed virtues, faith is not.
"When you fall, I will be there" - Floor

Asmodean

Quote from: Gawen on June 25, 2011, 12:17:19 PM
Quote from: bicycle on June 24, 2011, 11:03:15 PM
Atheism is appealing to me in the fact that it is a reaction to former beliefs...It was created because of a belief in God.
Well, I have to disagree on this one because all humans are born with a lack of belief in god/s.
I agree with the point made, but again am a little displeased with the wording. We are not so much born with a lack of belief as we are born without belief in god(s)
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.

Gawen

Quote from: bicycle on June 25, 2011, 12:07:51 AM
If the idea of God exists, why would people deny it?,
Gosh...um...say, lack of any good evidence?

Quoteeven if it is not physically existing, neither is my plans for the future, but I still believe in them. Do you believe ideas can be destroyed?
I pondered over this for a bit before answering. You have different things going on here. First, you're confusing the supernatural with the natural by positing the belief in a idea of a god existing and your plans for the future.
Secondly, you believe in an idea of yours in the future is to take a once in a life time two week trip to Tokyo 30 days from now, for example.
Something comes up, you change your mind and go to Madrid instead.
Thirdly, It seems to me you pretty much killed the idea of going to Tokyo. It also seems your belief in the idea of the trip to Tokyo was a faulty belief.
The essence of the mind is not in what it thinks, but how it thinks. Faith is the surrender of our mind; of reason and our skepticism to put all our trust or faith in someone or something that has no good evidence of itself. That is a sinister thing to me. Of all the supposed virtues, faith is not.
"When you fall, I will be there" - Floor

Gawen

Quote from: Asmodean on June 25, 2011, 12:25:07 PM

I agree with the point made, but again am a little displeased with the wording. We are not so much born with a lack of belief as we are born without belief in god(s)
I thought I said that.

ehh...semantics...*chucklin*.
The essence of the mind is not in what it thinks, but how it thinks. Faith is the surrender of our mind; of reason and our skepticism to put all our trust or faith in someone or something that has no good evidence of itself. That is a sinister thing to me. Of all the supposed virtues, faith is not.
"When you fall, I will be there" - Floor

Asmodean

Quote from: Gawen on June 25, 2011, 12:55:55 PM
Quote from: Asmodean on June 25, 2011, 12:25:07 PM

I agree with the point made, but again am a little displeased with the wording. We are not so much born with a lack of belief as we are born without belief in god(s)
I thought I said that.

ehh...semantics...*chucklin*.
It's just that one implies having something but losing or otherwise being deprived of something, while the other does not.
Quote from: Ecurb Noselrub on July 25, 2013, 08:18:52 PM
In Asmo's grey lump,
wrath and dark clouds gather force.
Luxembourg trembles.