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Bin Laden dead!

Started by fester30, May 02, 2011, 04:13:23 AM

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Whitney

Quote from: McQ on May 03, 2011, 07:59:09 PM
Quote from: Whitney on May 03, 2011, 03:59:14 AM
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that"
— Martin Luther King Jr.

Seems many of us were faked out by this non-MLK MLK quote. The story of how it came to be:

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/05/anatomy-of-a-fake-quotation/238257/

Ya...someone on facebook pointed that out too (only told me to snopes it and it wasn't on snopes...one day snopes will go conservative and it will be funny to see how many people continue to use it as the end source for all their fact checking ;) ).  I like that Penn was the one who caused it to go viral; very ironic.  I think it's a good quote even if little suzy down the street said it :)

AnimatedDirt

Quote from: Recusant on May 03, 2011, 11:18:30 AM
Wow, are you serious?  You're implying that President Obama is a Muslim?  Get a grip, man.
I'm not implying the guy in the Oval Office is Muslim, I'm implying his Muslim roots are more intact than we think or even he portrays them to be.  For a devout Christian, it seems he is more interested in promoting the Muslim faith than his own faith.  (Not that he should promote either as President)  As a small tid-bit of information that is not necessarily the whole basis:
QuoteBy comparison, the White House has released statements recognizing the observance of major Muslim holidays and released statements in 2010 on Ramadan, Eid-ul-Fitr, Hajj, and Eid-ul-Adha.
Quote from What? No Easter Greeting?

I don't think any President should be promoting ANY religion.  Why are we allowing him to promote the Muslim religion...and if he is such a "devout" Christian, why not promote Christianity as it runs opposite to the Muslim religion in many regards.  It's just a bunch of political games...one day he distances himself from anything seemingly Muslim and the next he's promoting the Muslim lifestyle in America.

White House Video

This and other small things he does/has done (bowing to Saudi King).  I simply don't trust the guy.  I don't put any trust politicians...and even less in this Hussein character.

Again, I realized the burial at sea isn't necessarily a Muslim tradition, but his body was given all the Muslim rights before dropped into the ocean.  Why?  Why was this murder given this right, is my question?

It's just another point that shows his true belief(s).

DaveD

It's called diplomacy.
Misguided, in my view, but a fact of political life.

Sophus

Quote from: Whitney on May 03, 2011, 03:59:14 AM
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that"
— Martin Luther King Jr.

Not that I disagree, but that's a partially fake quote.
‎"Christian doesn't necessarily just mean good. It just means better." - John Oliver

Sophus

Quote from: AnimatedDirt on May 03, 2011, 10:00:09 PM
Quote from: Recusant on May 03, 2011, 11:18:30 AM
Wow, are you serious?  You're implying that President Obama is a Muslim?  Get a grip, man.
I'm not implying the guy in the Oval Office is Muslim, I'm implying his Muslim roots are more intact than we think or even he portrays them to be.  For a devout Christian, it seems he is more interested in promoting the Muslim faith than his own faith.

What? He hasn't said anything different that Bush said ("we are not at war with Islam"). Bush even called it a "great faith".

Just amazing, Obama can't even kill a muslim extremist without these sort of accusations.
‎"Christian doesn't necessarily just mean good. It just means better." - John Oliver

AnimatedDirt

Quote from: Sophus on May 03, 2011, 11:35:38 PM
Just amazing, Obama can't even kill a muslim extremist without these sort of accusations.
As if OBL wouldn't have been found without Hussein?  lol.

Heretical Rants

Quote from: Sophus on May 03, 2011, 11:10:50 PM
Quote from: Whitney on May 03, 2011, 03:59:14 AM
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that"
— Martin Luther King Jr.

Not that I disagree, but that's a partially fake quote.

You're late to the ball. It's already been thrown back to the pitcher.

Recusant

Quote from: AnimatedDirt on May 03, 2011, 10:00:09 PMI'm not implying the guy in the Oval Office is Muslim, I'm implying his Muslim roots are more intact than we think or even he portrays them to be.  For a devout Christian, it seems he is more interested in promoting the Muslim faith than his own faith.  (Not that he should promote either as President)  As a small tid-bit of information that is not necessarily the whole basis:
QuoteBy comparison, the White House has released statements recognizing the observance of major Muslim holidays and released statements in 2010 on Ramadan, Eid-ul-Fitr, Hajj, and Eid-ul-Adha.
Quote from What? No Easter Greeting?

Apparently you didn't read the final sentence in the article which you quoted.  It gives the lie to both the headline and the information contained in the first part of the article, which unsurprisingly came from Fox News.  I don't know if you've been paying attention, but Fox News regularly makes "mistakes" in which it puts out "information" that its viewers consider damning of certain politicians (pretty much exclusively politicians on the left) that is later shown to have been false.  It is too much of a pattern to be coincidence.  In plain words, Fox News lies.  On a regular basis.  Now let's look at that final sentence:

QuoteFrom What? No Easter Greeting?:

Fox News is incorrect. Obama does mention Easter in his weekend address, though he does so only briefly and not as a message or greeting to Christians celebrating the holiday.

Hmm.  So the attention grabbing headline was based on a lie.  And the reporter chooses to interpret what the President said as "not a message or greeting," but he doesn't bother to quote what the President actually said. For somebody who calls himself a "veteran White House reporter" you would expect higher standards, especially considering that he knew that it was a lie.

As for President Obama's supposed "Muslim heritage," I don't know if you are aware of the fact that his mother was non-religious and his father was

QuoteFrom Snopes.com "Who is Barack Obama?":

"...an atheist or agnostic (i.e., no longer a practicing Muslim) by the time he married the younger Obama's mother."

I consider it quite reasonable for the leader of the US to reach out to Muslims in general, so that they understand that while the US will continue to protect its interests (and beyond, but that's a topic for another thread) it does not consider Islam to be an enemy.  You see a crypto-Muslim element in President Obama's public statements, but I think it's because that's what you want to see.  The tone of this and your previous posts show this whether you admit it or not.

Quote from: AnimatedDirt on May 03, 2011, 10:00:09 PMI don't think any President should be promoting ANY religion.  Why are we allowing him to promote the Muslim religion...and if he is such a "devout" Christian, why not promote Christianity as it runs opposite to the Muslim religion in many regards.  It's just a bunch of political games...one day he distances himself from anything seemingly Muslim and the next he's promoting the Muslim lifestyle in America.

A president acknowledging Muslim holidays is not promoting Islam or "promoting the Muslim lifestyle in America"; he's exhibiting good manners. Just as he acknowledged Easter, despite the lies told by Fox and parroted in the headline linked in the first part of your post. I'm wondering if you read the article you linked in the above quote. Despite the headline, nowhere in that article is there any evidence that Obama himself was trying to avoid the use of his middle name. It speaks of his campaign staff.  Whether the fact that the staff didn't make regular use of his middle name was the result of a decision by Obama or senior campaign managers is not ever stated. So the writer and you draw an inference.  Congratulations on your perspicacity, however overzealous it might be.

QuoteWhite House Video

I find it very telling that all of the information you've used in an attempt to justify your implications comes from right wing media.  Nothing wrong with that if it's balanced by neutral sources or left wing media, but Debbie Schlussel is a blatant wing-nut propagandist. I've read her stuff before and felt nauseated, and this little hit-piece you linked is no different.

Quote from: AnimatedDirt on May 03, 2011, 10:00:09 PMThis and other small things he does/has done (bowing to Saudi King).  I simply don't trust the guy.  I don't put any trust politicians...and even less in this Hussein character.

Again, I realized the burial at sea isn't necessarily a Muslim tradition, but his body was given all the Muslim rights before dropped into the ocean.  Why?  Why was this murder given this right, is my question?

I suppose that the sight of Bush II holding hands with a Saudi prince like a pair of little girls was easily dismissed by you as "just normal diplomacy."

"This Hussein character?" (x2) Again, get a grip man.  You can harp on his middle name and the fact that his father was at one time a Muslim all you want, but President Obama is a Christian American, nothing else.

As for why the body of bin Laden was treated with a modicum of decency, it's generally what Americans try to pride themselves on.  It wasn't dragged through streets the way that some of the enemies of the US have done with the bodies of Americans. Would you have us emulate such despicable behavior?

Quote from: AnimatedDirt on May 03, 2011, 10:00:09 PMIt's just another point that shows his true belief(s).

This is what the whole post was leading up to.  You begin by denying you think that the president is a Muslim, but you end by hinting that you actually think that he is.  I'm disappointed in you sir.  Say what you actually mean, or stop the ridiculous insinuations.

"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration — courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and above all, love of the truth."
— H. L. Mencken


Sophus

Quote from: AnimatedDirt on May 03, 2011, 11:54:28 PM
Quote from: Sophus on May 03, 2011, 11:35:38 PM
Just amazing, Obama can't even kill a muslim extremist without these sort of accusations.
As if OBL wouldn't have been found without Hussein?  lol.

Hussein? Using his middle name to make him sound "scary" is low.

And he did give the orders to kill bin Laden. Orders I don't agree with. But I don't have resort to fabrications and immature rumors about him to feel like I'm making a valid point.
‎"Christian doesn't necessarily just mean good. It just means better." - John Oliver

Sophus

Quote from: Heretical Rants on May 04, 2011, 02:35:45 AM
Quote from: Sophus on May 03, 2011, 11:10:50 PM
Quote from: Whitney on May 03, 2011, 03:59:14 AM
"I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that"
— Martin Luther King Jr.

Not that I disagree, but that's a partially fake quote.

You're late to the ball. It's already been thrown back to the pitcher.
Oh.... so I have.  :)
‎"Christian doesn't necessarily just mean good. It just means better." - John Oliver

hismikeness

Quote from: AnimatedDirt on May 03, 2011, 11:54:28 PM
Quote from: Sophus on May 03, 2011, 11:35:38 PM
Just amazing, Obama can't even kill a muslim extremist without these sort of accusations.
As if OBL wouldn't have been found without Hussein?  lol.

Gosh, that sounded just like my mother.  :o
I guess I know what kind of theist you are now.
Not to mention the fact that for the 8 years previous to "Hussein" (as you call him) he wasn't found or killed.
No churches have free wifi because they don't want to compete with an invisible force that works.

When the alien invasion does indeed happen, if everyone would just go out into the streets & inexpertly play the flute, they'll just go. -@UncleDynamite

Sophus

Quote from: hismikeness on May 04, 2011, 03:59:32 AM
Quote from: AnimatedDirt on May 03, 2011, 11:54:28 PM
Quote from: Sophus on May 03, 2011, 11:35:38 PM
Just amazing, Obama can't even kill a muslim extremist without these sort of accusations.
As if OBL wouldn't have been found without Hussein?  lol.

Gosh, that sounded just like my mother.  :o
I guess I know what kind of theist you are now.
Not to mention the fact that for the 8 years previous to "Hussein" (as you call him) he wasn't found or killed.

Bill Maher has weighed in.... "Bin Laden, Gaddafi kid - how many Muslims does a black man have to kill in one weekend before the crackers climb down off his ass?"
‎"Christian doesn't necessarily just mean good. It just means better." - John Oliver

Stevil

I'm not one to get excited about a revenge killing. It's just like gang warfare, it goes on forever with tit for tat.
Would have been better if he were caught and brought before the courts.

I also think Bush, Obama and the like are guilty of horrendous war crimes and should be brought before an international court, but a shame such justice does not exist.

Stevil

Quote from: AnimatedDirt on May 03, 2011, 10:00:09 PM

I don't think any President should be promoting ANY religion.  Why are we allowing him to promote the Muslim religion...and if he is such a "devout" Christian, why not promote Christianity as it runs opposite to the Muslim religion in many regards.  It's just a bunch of political games...one day he distances himself from anything seemingly Muslim and the next he's promoting the Muslim lifestyle in America.

Would you be for removing Christmas and Easter as national holidays and replacing with something more secular?

fester30

Quote from: Stevil on May 04, 2011, 09:05:33 AM
Quote from: AnimatedDirt on May 03, 2011, 10:00:09 PM

I don't think any President should be promoting ANY religion.  Why are we allowing him to promote the Muslim religion...and if he is such a "devout" Christian, why not promote Christianity as it runs opposite to the Muslim religion in many regards.  It's just a bunch of political games...one day he distances himself from anything seemingly Muslim and the next he's promoting the Muslim lifestyle in America.

Would you be for removing Christmas and Easter as national holidays and replacing with something more secular?

Easter is not a national (federal) holiday.  However, your point is made because Christmas is.

I wonder, Animated Dirt... were you as supportive of Bush and his "faith initiatives" as you are critical of Obama and his attempts to make Muslims feel like they aren't under attack in America?