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Help keep creationist off of Google Scholar

Started by Tank, January 24, 2011, 05:33:01 PM

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Tank

Remove ICR, AIG, and CMI articles from Google Scholar

QuoteThere are several nonscholarly sources appearing on Google Scholar. These nonscholarly sources are AnswersInGenesis.org, Creation.com (Creation Ministries International), and ICR.org (Institute for Creation Research). These three groups do not produce scholarly material.

The information in their publications is deeply biased to represent Young Earth Creationism. The material that they publish is devoid of real scientific research and yet attempts to present it as if it were real scientific research. On top of this, these organizations also give out incorrect information as a way to dissuade people from believing real scientific research into matters such as the age of the Earth, and the validity of scientific knowledge such as the Theory of Evolution by natural selection.

Because Google Scholar has some weight, especially to youths doing research for class, it is highly inappropriate for these articles to show up under Google Scholar. Articles such as these, that have a distinct religious agenda and even go as far as giving incorrect information about science, should not be allowed on Google Scholar.

QuotePetition:

We, the undersigned, call for Google Scholar to remove the works of Answers in Genesis, Creation Ministries International, and the Institute for Creation Research from the Google Scholar search engine because they do not produce scholarly work.

Just signed this. You may wish to consider doing so to.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

LegendarySandwich

When you have a search engine for scholarly sources, things like this are bound to appear. I can't really find it in myself to get worked up over this, but what the hell, I'll sign the petition.

pilchardo

Erm, no thanks. Although I'm no creationist myself, I believe in the right of everyone to have access to information. Bully boy tactics and censorship have no place in modern society. I'm afraid the days of the inquisition are over, my friend. Good luck with your petition, since I doubt :)

LegendarySandwich

Quote from: "pilchardo"Erm, no thanks. Although I'm no creationist myself, I believe in the right of everyone to have access to information. Bully boy tactics and censorship have no place in modern society. I'm afraid the days of the inquisition are over, my friend. Good luck with your petition, since I doubt :)
This is not an effort of trying to silence creationist viewpoints through censorship. It is an effort of trying to remove unscholarly work from a search engine designed to give students scholarly articles.

Would you want an article saying that the Earth is flat appearing in a student's bibliography?

Tank

Quote from: "pilchardo"Erm, no thanks. Although I'm no creationist myself, I believe in the right of everyone to have access to information. Bully boy tactics and censorship have no place in modern society. I'm afraid the days of the inquisition are over, my friend. Good luck with your petition, since I doubt Google will so much as bat an eyelid  :)
Google Scholar is aimed at users who want to find real and reliable scientifically valid research. Creationist lies have no place on Google Scholar. If Google Scholar is to be taken seriously as a research search engine it will need to pay attention to what the scientific community has to say about the appearance of creationist lies on their search engine.

Nobody is suggesting that creationist views should be excluded from Google, far from it. Their lies should be available for all to see.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Tank

Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"
Quote from: "pilchardo"Erm, no thanks. Although I'm no creationist myself, I believe in the right of everyone to have access to information. Bully boy tactics and censorship have no place in modern society. I'm afraid the days of the inquisition are over, my friend. Good luck with your petition, since I doubt :)
This is not an effort of trying to silence creationist viewpoints through censorship. It is an effort of trying to remove unscholarly work from a search engine designed to give students scholarly articles.

Would you want an article saying that the Earth is flat appearing in a student's bibliography?
Only if the student was citing the article to debunk it!
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

LegendarySandwich

Quote from: "Tank"Only if the student was citing the article to debunk it!
lol , you get what I mean though.

Recusant

Quote from: "pilchardo"Erm, no thanks. Although I'm no creationist myself, I believe in the right of everyone to have access to information. Bully boy tactics and censorship have no place in modern society. I'm afraid the days of the inquisition are over, my friend.
I agree with LengendarySandwich and Tank.  Removing these un-scholarly sources from "google scholar" does not mean that they will not be freely available to anyone who wishes to use them.  It merely tries to assure that students using "google scholar" will not be mislead into thinking that these Creationist sites and the pseudoscience which they purvey are valid from a scientific standpoint.

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Thanks for the heads-up, Tank.
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in veneration — courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and above all, love of the truth."
— H. L. Mencken


Tank

Quote from: "LegendarySandwich"
Quote from: "Tank"Only if the student was citing the article to debunk it!
lol , you get what I mean though.
Yes, I understood your point that if the student actually took the article seriously then there would be a serious issue. Mind you one would be under no illusion that the student who did believe anything on AiG et al was real would be a complete fucking moron!
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Will

I want bad people to look forward to and celebrate the day I die, because if they don't, I'm not living up to my potential.

pilchardo

Google would clearly beg to differ. I doubt a few signatures will make even the slightest difference. Good luck though.

Whitney

Quote from: "pilchardo"Google would clearly beg to differ. I doubt a few signatures will make even the slightest difference. Good luck though.

I don't think you have the ability to speak on behalf of google.

non-scholarly works should not be allowed in a database that is claimed to be scholarly.  That's not censorship, that's requiring people to meet quality standards.  If someone can write a scholarly research based argument on why evolution is false and god created the earth yesterday, more power to them.

Creationist nonsense can show up in the regular google search results all they want.

McQ

I don't know too much about Goog1e Scholar, but I am surprised that non-scholarly work managed to get in it in the first place. Unless it's like Wikipedia, where just anyone can post information.

I'm also in favor of having non-scholarly work removed from there and being available freely on the regular Goog1e site.
Elvis didn't do no drugs!
--Penn Jillette

pilchardo

Quote from: "Whitney"
Quote from: "pilchardo"Google would clearly beg to differ. I doubt a few signatures will make even the slightest difference. Good luck though.

I don't think you have the ability to speak on behalf of google.

non-scholarly works should not be allowed in a database that is claimed to be scholarly.  That's not censorship, that's requiring people to meet quality standards.  If someone can write a scholarly research based argument on why evolution is false and god created the earth yesterday, more power to them.

Creationist nonsense can show up in the regular google search results all they want.

I do, and I just did. What google allows is up to google, not you or I.

Whitney

Quote from: "pilchardo"I do, and I just did. What google allows is up to google, not you or I.

That doesn't make any sense.