The gospel is ridiculous!

[Fininho]

Let us think, and try help the desperately stuck in the gospel of JC of Nazareth:

God cannot save all sinners**, and because of that he will have to make new heavens and a new Earth!

** Apparently, he could if he wanted, but for some private pride, he prefers, at a later stage - PLAN B, C or D, who knows! -  to INCINERATE the entire Cosmos and then restart the process, by creating everything afresh; new heavens and a new Earth!!

What do you say to this to help the gospel's victims?...

[Fininho]

You see, here we are living in this terribly disadvantageous primitive planet, where the terrible struggles of life hardens one's heart and leads one to sin against the Creator of this mess!
The unfortunate life we are forced to live down here on Earth disturbs and upsets the same Creator, which then envisages a PLAN to rescue the situation.
But since the PLAN was a failure from its outset, whereby not all human beings agreed with it and consequently rejected the hurried Saviour, the PLAN was catalogued as a failure.
Since that hurt the personal pride of the Planner - the Creator of this terrible situation - another PLAN was introduced, whereby TOTAL INCINERATION of everything that had been created before Earth was the found solution.

That is, the sequence of events runs like this:
First the Creation of everything
Then humans were located in a terrible planet
They suffered uncountable evil
The Creator did not help them directly
A Saviour was sent
The Saviour was rejected by most
The Creator got infuriated
PLAN B was mobilised
Incinerate the Cosmos
Create New Heavens and a New Earth.
...
I would like to have Christians tell me if there wasn't a better plan from their weird god.
Only after I get an intelligent answer I will upgrade my low view of that weird deity.

[AnimatedDirt]

Fininho, you are 100% correct!  I'm going to change my whole thinking just on these two posts alone.  I can't believe I've been so deluded to even fathom this.  [/sarcasm]

Really, I'm also against this gospel you're promoting as "The" gospel.  It might serve you just a hair more if you had the slightest of inclination to at least get the fairy tale straight...AND THEN comment.

[Whitney]

I'm not aware of christians believing that god destroys this universe to start over....I was taught, and thought I had read, that god plans to basically recycle this earth after having purged it of evil during the final days.

[Fininho]

Isaiah 65:17.

Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.

2 Peter 3:12.

Looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat . . . Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for a new heaven and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Revelation 21:1.

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.

[Fininho]

I'm not aware of christians believing that god destroys this universe to start over....I was taught, and thought I had read, that god plans to basically recycle this earth after having purged it of evil during the final days.

Yes.
And then we have the right to ask that weird "Rebuilder" why he let the situation deteriorate to that point!
Immediately following with this other question [without giving the deity time to reply to the first one]:
WAS THERE NOT A BETTER PLAN FROM THE BEGINNING?!!

We will shout to the almighty, because we will be very upset at the time.
And no matter what answer we might get, the almighty is finished!
He will have to leave the undeserved throne, and return to junior school to learn mental discipline before attempting another faulty creation!

[AnimatedDirt]

Isaiah 65:17.

Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.

2 Peter 3:12.

Looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat . . . Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for a new heaven and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Revelation 21:1.

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.

Sometimes, in context, heavens is speaking of the sky/atmosphere.  Also, some words have metaphorical meanings as in the sea.  In prophecy, the sea/waters/the ocean is a metaphor for peoples better known simply as the people of the world or the region "outside" of the fold.

But then again, this simple knowledge would come quickly to a person that is truely seeking answers and not just ammunition...especially in this "new" era where knowledge and information is available at your fingertips in moments.

[AnimatedDirt]

Yes.
And then we have the right to ask that weird "Rebuilder" why he let the situation deteriorate to that point!
Immediately following with this other question [without giving the deity time to reply to the first one]:
WAS THERE NOT A BETTER PLAN FROM THE BEGINNING?!

Respectfully, again you show ignorance.

[Fininho]

Yes.
And then we have the right to ask that weird "Rebuilder" why he let the situation deteriorate to that point!
Immediately following with this other question [without giving the deity time to reply to the first one]:
WAS THERE NOT A BETTER PLAN FROM THE BEGINNING?!

Respectfully, again you show ignorance.

Why do you say that?

I don't want to think with your brain: I have one working in NORMAL mode.
In matters of bible interpretation I interpret it my way, like any other honest student.
It is not my fault that the Bible introduces a faulty creator.
I can identify at least four failed programs of the almighty.

[McQ]

Fininho take it easy. Every one of the threads you start begins with an outrageous comment and title, and seems to be a rant. Can you possibly tone it down a bit, please? It's the written equivalent of standing on a street corner and screaming at people walking by. It just seems to put people off.

[AnimatedDirt]

Yes.
And then we have the right to ask that weird "Rebuilder" why he let the situation deteriorate to that point!
Immediately following with this other question [without giving the deity time to reply to the first one]:
WAS THERE NOT A BETTER PLAN FROM THE BEGINNING?!

Respectfully, again you show ignorance.

Why do you say that?

I don't want to think with your brain: I have one working in NORMAL mode.
In matters of bible interpretation I interpret it my way, like any other honest student.
It is not my fault that the Bible introduces a faulty creator.
I can identify at least four failed programs of the almighty.

I say that because while one can come to better conclusions when reading the bible without bias, you show that your approach is with complete contempt.  That manner of "study" brings no one closer to any true meanings on just about anything, and most assuredly on Biblical interpretation.  Again, lots of information is available to you with a simple g00gle search.  You just simply seem to think your mind is the only "normal" mind on the planet.  Therefore, as McQ has suggested, it sounds like you're just here to rant.  It might help you more to be open to discussion.  Otherwise, when I see an assertion without grounds I'll simply say so...and move on.

[Stevil]

Isaiah 65:17.

Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth. The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind.

2 Peter 3:12.

Looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat . . . Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for a new heaven and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Revelation 21:1.

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.

So, maybe once we have destroyed this planet due to global warming maybe some lucky few get to fly to a life supporting planet in a neighboring solar system?
or
Maybe we have already destroyed Mars, and now Earth is our second chance, but it looks like via global warming that history is repeating?
or
Maybe the bible is nonsense, open for much interpretation and hence only making sense when the reader twists, turns and pounds its awkward shape into place?

[AnimatedDirt]

Maybe the bible is nonsense, open for much interpretation and hence only making sense when the reader twists, turns and pounds its awkward shape into place?

No twisting or pounding.  If one sets out to genuinely understand it, I don't mean he/she has to believe it, but understand it...similar in a sense to one that studies Shakespeare, to understand the meaning and depth of his work, likewise and maybe to a greater degree the Bible as a book of books.  Understanding doesn't necessarily mean one agrees with or holds to it's beliefs or claims.  I hope this makes sense...but I'm sure someone will say, "Makes as much sense as the study of the Great Spaghetti Monster...".  Yes, but no one or no book(s) make the same claim about a GSM.

[Stevil]

If one sets out to genuinely understand it

I don't think the bible can be understood. It needs to be interpreted, and even then people need to attend church every week, regular bible study,  bible camp and then they need a spiritual leader to guide them. Its not like a person can read it and then go "Oh, I understand that perfectly" and then go off and live their life like a "good Christian".

BTW I am not a fan of Shakespeare, I feel the art of communication is to make your points or story easily understood by the audience. Maybe Shakespeare could be understood at the time, but for me in my time to read this stuff, gees I'd rather read Red Dwarf.

[AnimatedDirt]

If one sets out to genuinely understand it

I don't think the bible can be understood. It needs to be interpreted, and even then people need to attend church every week, regular bible study,  bible camp and then they need a spiritual leader to guide them. Its not like a person can read it and then go "Oh, I understand that perfectly" and then go off and live their life like a "good Christian".

I notice you don't dogmatically state it cannot be understood.  I like that.  It's your interpretation that it cannot be understood and I can respect that, but only to the point before one makes false accusations on the words therein and post texts void of context.  The Bible needs to be taken as a whole.  The books therein must also be taken as a whole, who wrote it, to whom it was written, the culture, why...all are part of the context.  This is the reason I say, if one wants to understand it, it can be understood, without agreeing with it.  However to make lists of parts of it and say, "How do you like that!...babies killed, whole groups of people killed...see God is an angry God..."  These types of accusations simply are not honest, but bias strikes as sprayed shots rather than accurate shots taken.

BTW I am not a fan of Shakespeare, I feel the art of communication is to make your points or story easily understood by the audience. Maybe Shakespeare could be understood at the time, but for me in my time to read this stuff, gees I'd rather read Red Dwarf.

And isn't it telling that there are no groups of people that actively work to thwart the study and upholding of Shakespeare as a literary work of art? (at least none that I know of).