Veridican Creed of Salvation

[Egor]

I wanted to post this here to get criticism and comments. I am think that this my be the official Veridican creed of salvation. In other words, if a person can say this and truly believe it and mean it, they will be saved. Here it is:

This I do solemnly believe:

God is my Father, the Creator and substance of all things.

I was made to live out His will on earth, but I freely sinned, making myself imperfect in His sight, never to be reclaimed as I am.

From my descended state,  I asked God to forgive what I had done that through His perfect grace and love  I might be reborn into the light and spirit of Christ he sent to save us.

Therefore, I renounce my sin, and choose to live in the unity of Christ as I understand him through the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

And in the name of Christ I pray:

Our Father, who is in heaven.
Hallowed be your name.
Your Kingdom Come
Your will be done
On earth as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread
And forgive us our trespasses
As we forgive those who tresspass against us
Lead us not into temptation
But deliever us from Evil
For Yours is the Kingdom, the Power and the Glory
Forever, and ever.
Amen.

This then I declare by faith and not by sight, that I am ascended with Christ, one with Him in spirit, perfected through forgiveness, sanctified in His Service, and chosen to continue for evermore in the Kingdom of God, passing from dark to light, death to life, and unto the salvation of my soul.

I certainly welcome any comments, suggestions, whatever.

[Dobermonster]

Sounds like a slightly better worded version of every accept-Jesus-into-my-heart-prayer I've ever heard. Is there some new idea or concept you're trying to impart?

[The Magic Pudding]

You're trying to convince yourself you believe in god, what's new besides the annoying blue text?

[Egor]

Sounds like a slightly better worded version of every accept-Jesus-into-my-heart-prayer I've ever heard. Is there some new idea or concept you're trying to impart?

No, not really. This seems to be in keeping with what Jesus laid out in the Gospel. I want to edit it some more for style and clarity and asthetics, but otherwise. I'm just looking for an accurate salvation creed.

[Egor]

You're trying to convince yourself you believe in god, what's new besides the annoying blue text?

I think this creed pretty much assumes the existence of God.

[Asmodean]

...So why does a random Veridican (If mis-spelled, it's not on purpose) need and want salvation? What does (s)he need salvation from?

[Thunder Road]

You'd probably get much better feedback on a religious forum...

[OldGit]

Why use the pseudo-biblical English forms: I am ascended  This I do solemnly believe:; I am descended; unto?  The language as a whole reeks of the KJ bible.  Is that supposed to add to the mumbo-jumbo effect?

... to live in the unity of Christ ...

What do you want that to mean?

Correct your spelling of deliver.

[Egor]

...So why does a random Veridican (If mis-spelled, it's not on purpose) need and want salvation? What does (s)he need salvation from?

Salvation from sin. Everyone who sins is a slave to sin, and those who die in their sin will either be destroyed or thrown into hell. The only way to be saved for eternal life is to become one with Christ. If one puts their faith in Christ, they confirm to God that they are worth saving for the next phase of existence.

But look at what that takes: The small amount of free will we have it seems has to be used to evaluate our imperfection and die to ourselves as we transform into the spiritual nature of Christ. Do you see the fundamental difference?

On the one hand is a person who is so blind they think they are fine the way they are. On the other hand is a person who can see that they are so far off the mark of Divine perfection that they do not warrant existence. Yet it is exactly the latter who are the ones chosen for eternal life. I am one of the latter type, but even after my salvation is assured, I still cannot stand my sinful imperfection, even though I know it doesn't stick to me anymore.

Jesus once said, and I paraphrase, "No one takes my life. I lay my life down so that I can take it up again." He was speaking of this very dynamic. The person who can kill themselves--spiritually speaking--in order to be transformed is the Christ dynamic if you will.

It's about perfection. If you can see it, you're the kind of person God wants for the next phase of existence, because you're someone who can see God. But if you can see it, you're like a seed that lays on the ground and fails to germinate.

[Egor]

You'd probably get much better feedback on a religious forum...

Not true. Not true at all. Look, I'll pay you all a compliment: You're smarter than most religious people. You think more. Many of you are better educated, even if you educated yourself--or maybe because you educated yourself.

[Egor]

Why use the pseudo-biblical English forms: I am ascended  This I do solemnly believe:; I am descended; unto?  The language as a whole reeks of the KJ bible.  Is that supposed to add to the mumbo-jumbo effect?

... to live in the unity of Christ ...

What do you want that to mean?

Correct your spelling of deliver.

At home, I will have my proper word processor (Word) to check spelling. But thanks. The language has to be fixed, I admit. And those words specifically, Ascended, descended, upon, and I'm not even going to keep "This I do solemnly believe." I'm going to cut it entirely.

Thanks for the input.

[Asmodean]

On the one hand is a person who is so blind they think they are fine the way they are. On the other hand is a person who can see that they are so far off the mark of Divine perfection that they do not warrant existence.

And on third hand, you have a person who knows he's not perfect in oh, so many ways and doesn't strive to achieve that perfection simply because he doesn't need to.

Yet it is exactly the latter who are the ones chosen for eternal life.

Working from an assumption that eternal life is indeed possible, I'd say it sucks for them. Pretty sure I'd get bored to the point of suicide in a matter of a few centuries.

I am one of the latter type, but even after my salvation is assured, I still cannot stand my sinful imperfection, even though I know it doesn't stick to me anymore.

Why can't you stand being imperfect? Take me, for instance: I suck at football. So what? I don't want to be good at football in the first place.

It's about perfection.

Perfection is bullshit, being relative to the observer and every person or object of interest.

But if you can see it, you're like a seed that lays on the ground and fails to germinate.

And thus, we arrive at my point: the seed doesn't care - why should we?

[Ali]

The wording is clear enough for me, although the third sentence seems a bit run-on-y, and the fourth sentence is a bit twistier than modern convention normally likes. 

Other than that, I don't know what critiques and thoughts you are hoping for, since probably most of the people on this site probably find the content to be complete balls.

[McQ]

I think it's as full of crap as the original source material. Secondly, I believe you are entirely disingenuous in why you post it on an atheist forum. In this moderator's opinion, you are very close to what I'm going to call troll-preaching.

I don't buy for one second that you care for our genuine feedback. And besides, you don't need feedback from atheists. You need it from people who don't think your entire belief system is a fairy tale.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

[Asmodean]

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

...and walks like a duck and... Lays chicken eggs?