Thou Shalt Not Test The Lord

[AnimatedDirt]

There is no relationship between IQ and if a person is delusional or not. A delusional person continues to assert a patently inaccurate view when provided with incontrovertible evidence the the view is inaccurate. For example asserting a mouse is a car when shown a mouse.

I see.  State of mind, then?  Same "difference" to me in context.

[Guardian85]

There is no relationship between IQ and if a person is delusional or not. A delusional person continues to assert a patently inaccurate view when provided with incontrovertible evidence the the view is inaccurate. For example asserting a mouse is a car when shown a mouse.

There are many cases of very intelligent persons suffering delusions, wheter in the clinical or colloquial sense,  and as  such the term delusion cannot be correlated to low IQ. Persons of low IQ may very well be deluded, but not all deluded people have low IQ.

[AnimatedDirt]

There is no relationship between IQ and if a person is delusional or not. A delusional person continues to assert a patently inaccurate view when provided with incontrovertible evidence the the view is inaccurate. For example asserting a mouse is a car when shown a mouse.

There are many cases of very intelligent persons suffering delusions, wheter in the clinical or colloquial sense,  and as  such the term delusion cannot be correlated to low IQ. Persons of low IQ may very well be deluded, but not all deluded people have low IQ.

So then mentally ill...

[statichaos]

There is no relationship between IQ and if a person is delusional or not. A delusional person continues to assert a patently inaccurate view when provided with incontrovertible evidence the the view is inaccurate. For example asserting a mouse is a car when shown a mouse.

There are many cases of very intelligent persons suffering delusions, wheter in the clinical or colloquial sense,  and as  such the term delusion cannot be correlated to low IQ. Persons of low IQ may very well be deluded, but not all deluded people have low IQ.

So then mentally ill...

Let's make this a direct question, then, so that we can avoid all confusion.  I'll use myself as the starting point so as not to get you involved without permission.

I am a theist, which is to say that I believe in God.  I believe this due to personal experience, intuition, and a general sense that I find difficult to explain.  My sense is that each of us is playing a part in a much grander design.  I am not a deist, in that I do not see God as something removed from our lives, but rather as a presence that fills every cell of my body.  I have received inspiration from transcendentalism, Taoism, and panentheism.

Am I mentally ill due to my theism?

[Guardian85]

There is no relationship between IQ and if a person is delusional or not. A delusional person continues to assert a patently inaccurate view when provided with incontrovertible evidence the the view is inaccurate. For example asserting a mouse is a car when shown a mouse.

There are many cases of very intelligent persons suffering delusions, wheter in the clinical or colloquial sense,  and as  such the term delusion cannot be correlated to low IQ. Persons of low IQ may very well be deluded, but not all deluded people have low IQ.

So then mentally ill...

Not nesesarily. If you note the  underlined text above I made a point of stating that in the colloquial sense of the word, "deluded" does not nessesitate the use of it in a medical context.

[AnimatedDirt]

Not nesesarily. If you note the  underlined text above I made a point of stating that in the colloquial sense of the word, "deluded" does not nessesitate the use of it in a medical context.

It's a nice way of saying...?  Ill, but not in a sense medicine can determine or fix?

[AnimatedDirt]

Let's make this a direct question, then, so that we can avoid all confusion.  I'll use myself as the starting point so as not to get you involved without permission.

I am a theist, which is to say that I believe in God.  I believe this due to personal experience, intuition, and a general sense that I find difficult to explain.  My sense is that each of us is playing a part in a much grander design.  I am not a deist, in that I do not see God as something removed from our lives, but rather as a presence that fills every cell of my body.  I have received inspiration from transcendentalism, Taoism, and panentheism.

Am I mentally ill due to my theism?

You're hardly in the same "delusion" as the average deluded Christian.

[statichaos]

Not nesesarily. If you note the  underlined text above I made a point of stating that in the colloquial sense of the word, "deluded" does not nessesitate the use of it in a medical context.

It's a nice way of saying...?  Ill, but not in a sense medicine can determine or fix?

"Deluded" in this context would probably mean "Believing in something despite great evidence to the contrary".  That's not dictionary perfect, but it's the sense that I'm getting from what's being said.  I do think that it's a loaded term, though, so I'm not especially happy to see it applied in within an otherwise civilized discussion.

[Guardian85]

"Deluded" in this context would probably mean "Believing in something despite great evidence to the contrary".  That's not dictionary perfect, but it's the sense that I'm getting from what's being said.  I do think that it's a loaded term, though, so I'm not especially happy to see it applied in within an otherwise civilized discussion.

Exactly. That is the non-clinical use of the word deluded. I am not saying, or laying claim to the medical background to state, that you are suffering from a medical condition, AD. I am merly responding to your use of the word delusion earlier in this thread.

[Ivan Tudor C McHock]

It seems to me that simply praying to god is testing him, and we all know that nothing fails like prayer.

[Harmonie]

It seems to me that simply praying to god is testing him, and we all know that nothing fails like prayer.

Well, not so much to an theist. If their prayer isn't 'answered', they will simply think of it as their prayer being granted wasn't a part of God's great plan, which they claim is not something that is understandable to us.

[statichaos]

My prayers rarely consist of much more than a "Thank you".  Anything else goes against my conception of God.

[En_Route]

Let's make this a direct question, then, so that we can avoid all confusion.  I'll use myself as the starting point so as not to get you involved without permission.

I am a theist, which is to say that I believe in God.  I believe this due to personal experience, intuition, and a general sense that I find difficult to explain.  My sense is that each of us is playing a part in a much grander design.  I am not a deist, in that I do not see God as something removed from our lives, but rather as a presence that fills every cell of my body.  I have received inspiration from transcendentalism, Taoism, and panentheism.

Am I mentally ill due to my theism?

You're hardly in the same "delusion" as the average deluded Christian.

I would say that you were deluded (in a  strictly non-pathological sense)and certainly not delusional. A man who believes that his wife is faithful although in fact she is sleeping with his neighbour is deluded. A man who thinks that his wife is a flesh-eating alien is probably delusional.

[Sweetdeath]

Let's make this a direct question, then, so that we can avoid all confusion.  I'll use myself as the starting point so as not to get you involved without permission.

I am a theist, which is to say that I believe in God.  I believe this due to personal experience, intuition, and a general sense that I find difficult to explain.  My sense is that each of us is playing a part in a much grander design.  I am not a deist, in that I do not see God as something removed from our lives, but rather as a presence that fills every cell of my body.  I have received inspiration from transcendentalism, Taoism, and panentheism.

Am I mentally ill due to my theism?

You're hardly in the same "delusion" as the average deluded Christian.

I would say that you were deluded (in a  strictly non-pathological sense)and certainly not delusional. A man who believes that his wife is faithful although in fact she is sleeping with his neighbour is deluded. A man who thinks that his wife is a flesh-eating alien is probably delusional.

I guess some people feel "if I believe in ot hard enough, it must be true."

[statichaos]

I would say that you were deluded (in a  strictly non-pathological sense)and certainly not delusional.

That made me so angry that I nearly fell off of my unicorn!

Seriously, though, as accurate as it may be, "delusional" and "deluded" both strike me as loaded terms, as in casual conversation, they're generally used to denote something approaching insanity.  Something along the lines of "incorrect" or "mistaken" can get the point across just as well without unnecessarily raising hackles.

Of course, if one doesn't care if hackles are raised, or is looking to do so, then that's just fine.