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Too Few Lions

#120
October 07, 2011, 07:05:23 PM
can't believe I missed all this through being away on holiday. Properly mental. My alarm bells started ringing as soon as I read 'Moses said...'. I thought that nobody but the most ignorant or conservative Christian believes that Moses actually wrote the Torah these days. I'll look forward to seeing what Mr Ed has to say when he hopefully returns from suspension...


Gawen

#121
October 07, 2011, 08:40:34 PM
*jumpin up and down*


IS HE BACK YET! IS HE BACK YET! IS HE BACK YET! IS HE BACK YET! IS HE BACK YET! IS HE BACK YET!
The essence of the mind is not in what it thinks, but how it thinks. Faith is the surrender of our mind; of reason and our skepticism to put all our trust or faith in someone or something that has no good evidence of itself. That is a sinister thing to me. Of all the supposed virtues, faith is not.
"When you fall, I will be there" - Floor

Too Few Lions

#122
October 07, 2011, 09:46:13 PM
it's gonna be like the Second Coming of Jesus, only this time the Bible thumper may actually come back...

I'd have let him preach, it's not like he's gonna convert anyone by blindly quoting from his favourite fictional book!

Tank

#123
October 08, 2011, 10:26:12 AM
Quote from: Gawen on October 07, 2011, 08:40:34 PM
*jumpin up and down*


IS HE BACK YET! IS HE BACK YET! IS HE BACK YET! IS HE BACK YET! IS HE BACK YET! IS HE BACK YET!
His suspension has expired, he can post when he likes.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Tank

#124
October 08, 2011, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: Too Few Lions on October 07, 2011, 09:46:13 PM
it's gonna be like the Second Coming of Jesus, only this time the Bible thumper may actually come back...

I'd have let him preach, it's not like he's gonna convert anyone by blindly quoting from his favourite fictional book!
And if one gets away with it the nutters get free reign and board turns into a running flame war. If one likes that sort of thing then try RationalSkeptisism. Not suggesting you should leave TFL, just that there are different flavours of forum for when one is in different moods :)
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Gawen

#125
October 08, 2011, 08:52:17 PM
Quote from: Tank on October 08, 2011, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: Too Few Lions on October 07, 2011, 09:46:13 PM
it's gonna be like the Second Coming of Jesus, only this time the Bible thumper may actually come back...

I'd have let him preach, it's not like he's gonna convert anyone by blindly quoting from his favourite fictional book!
And if one gets away with it the nutters get free reign and board turns into a running flame war. If one likes that sort of thing then try RationalSkeptisism. Not suggesting you should leave TFL, just that there are different flavours of forum for when one is in different moods :)
Honestly, I don't mind a little bit of preaching if one backs it up with scripture - number and verse. In most cases, it is all to easy to nullify it.
The essence of the mind is not in what it thinks, but how it thinks. Faith is the surrender of our mind; of reason and our skepticism to put all our trust or faith in someone or something that has no good evidence of itself. That is a sinister thing to me. Of all the supposed virtues, faith is not.
"When you fall, I will be there" - Floor

Tank

#126
October 08, 2011, 09:13:10 PM
Quote from: Gawen on October 08, 2011, 08:52:17 PM
Quote from: Tank on October 08, 2011, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: Too Few Lions on October 07, 2011, 09:46:13 PM
it's gonna be like the Second Coming of Jesus, only this time the Bible thumper may actually come back...

I'd have let him preach, it's not like he's gonna convert anyone by blindly quoting from his favourite fictional book!
And if one gets away with it the nutters get free reign and board turns into a running flame war. If one likes that sort of thing then try RationalSkeptisism. Not suggesting you should leave TFL, just that there are different flavours of forum for when one is in different moods :)
Honestly, I don't mind a little bit of preaching if one backs it up with scripture - number and verse. In most cases, it is all to easy to nullify it.
Quoting chapter and verse isn't necessarily preeching if used in relation to a discussion, if it were I could technically ban you  ;D But SupEd was using his own words to extol the virtues of his world view that did constitute preeching IMO.
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Gawen

#127
October 08, 2011, 10:23:47 PM
Quote from: Tank on October 08, 2011, 09:13:10 PM
Quote from: Gawen on October 08, 2011, 08:52:17 PM
Quote from: Tank on October 08, 2011, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: Too Few Lions on October 07, 2011, 09:46:13 PM
it's gonna be like the Second Coming of Jesus, only this time the Bible thumper may actually come back...

I'd have let him preach, it's not like he's gonna convert anyone by blindly quoting from his favourite fictional book!
And if one gets away with it the nutters get free reign and board turns into a running flame war. If one likes that sort of thing then try RationalSkeptisism. Not suggesting you should leave TFL, just that there are different flavours of forum for when one is in different moods :)
Honestly, I don't mind a little bit of preaching if one backs it up with scripture - number and verse. In most cases, it is all to easy to nullify it.
Quoting chapter and verse isn't necessarily preeching if used in relation to a discussion, if it were I could technically ban you  ;D But SupEd was using his own words to extol the virtues of his world view that did constitute preeching IMO.
Yes, and I agree

Aren't you glad I'm not a Christian, that I am able to side step the # and verse thing?...*wigglin me brows and grinnin*
The essence of the mind is not in what it thinks, but how it thinks. Faith is the surrender of our mind; of reason and our skepticism to put all our trust or faith in someone or something that has no good evidence of itself. That is a sinister thing to me. Of all the supposed virtues, faith is not.
"When you fall, I will be there" - Floor

Tank

#128
October 08, 2011, 10:32:34 PM
Quote from: Gawen on October 08, 2011, 10:23:47 PM
{snip}

Aren't you glad I'm not a Christian, that I am able to side step the # and verse thing?...*wigglin me brows and grinnin*
I'm very glad you're no longer Christian  :)
If religions were TV channels atheism is turning the TV off.
"Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt." ― Richard P. Feynman
'It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die. That is true, it's called Life.' - Terry Pratchett
Remember, your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.

Too Few Lions

#129
October 08, 2011, 11:19:51 PM Last Edit: October 08, 2011, 11:24:58 PM by Too Few Lions
I'll second that. And fair enough on giving SupEd his ban, you're right we don't need preaching. Sorry, I wasn't questioning the wisdom of the moderators  ;) it's just sometimes the debates with the crazier theists are good fun, and it's a shame I missed the entertainment with Mr Ed before he got banned!

I'm a bit worried that if I started looking at other forums too I might get a serious addiction to it all, and my girlfriend probably wouldn't appreciate that!

I clicked on a few of the links from SupEd's links and some were actually quite unpleasant, there was one blatantly anti-Muslim one which began with the line 'this film is not meant to be disparaging to the Muslim faith' then pretty much when on to suggest that Mohammed was the antichrist!

Gawen

#130
October 09, 2011, 12:36:48 AM
Quote from: Too Few Lions

I'm a bit worried that if I started looking at other forums too I might get a serious addiction to it all, and my girlfriend probably wouldn't appreciate that!

I clicked on a few of the links from SupEd's links and some were actually quite unpleasant, there was one blatantly anti-Muslim one which began with the line 'this film is not meant to be disparaging to the Muslim faith' then pretty much when on to suggest that Mohammed was the antichrist!
Ed was banned...and not just suspended?

TFL, you'll not easily find a more terrifying Christian discussion board than Rapture Ready:
http://www.rr-bb.com/
It would be an atheist psychologist's nightmare. The Mods there are extremely sensitive to anything that would disparage their beliefs and they are very trigger happy to ban. Entering is no problem. Saying what you will is at your own risk. I went there several years ago. I spent about an hour there, just reading, said nothing and I haven't been back since. From reports of other atheist posters I know and friends from other DB's, the place hasn't changed at all.

And honestly, one gets the distinct feeling that the Rapture Ready board is situated in an asylum. I wanted to visit the place when the last rapture scare happened earlier this year, but I just couldn't make myself do it.

I warned ya...

Now, back to the topic. I wonder if Superior Education's beliefs also include the rapture. There is, after all, biblical support for it. What I want to know is how something not of this universe is able to circumvent the laws of nature so that all dead believers are able to come alive again and are whisked off to Heaven...for starters.
The essence of the mind is not in what it thinks, but how it thinks. Faith is the surrender of our mind; of reason and our skepticism to put all our trust or faith in someone or something that has no good evidence of itself. That is a sinister thing to me. Of all the supposed virtues, faith is not.
"When you fall, I will be there" - Floor

Too Few Lions

#131
October 09, 2011, 01:21:09 AM
sorry my bad English, I meant 'ban' in a temporary 7-day sense not a permanent one. I might give RR a look tomorow, it being the Lord's day and all. Somehow I don't think I'd last long. They've been fervently waiting some 1900 odd years for the rapture, you'd have thought they might have learnt and given up by now! They don't need to explain it to me in scientific terms, it's just another standard bit of mythology, although it would be fun to see SupEd try if he returns...

Whitney

#132
October 09, 2011, 01:50:45 AM
just to clarify the whole ban process.....anytime we take away someone's access to the forum they are banned; the only difference between short term ban and forever is if we click to change the ban length.

Gawen

#133
October 09, 2011, 01:53:31 AM
Quote from: Too Few Lions on October 09, 2011, 01:21:09 AM
sorry my bad English...
Well, I don't expect to much from a heathen gunslingin' chimp....*chucklin*..As long as I can pick up every other word or two, I can get by
The essence of the mind is not in what it thinks, but how it thinks. Faith is the surrender of our mind; of reason and our skepticism to put all our trust or faith in someone or something that has no good evidence of itself. That is a sinister thing to me. Of all the supposed virtues, faith is not.
"When you fall, I will be there" - Floor

Too Few Lions

#134
October 11, 2011, 12:31:48 AM
Quote from: Gawen on October 09, 2011, 01:53:31 AM
Quote from: Too Few Lions on October 09, 2011, 01:21:09 AM
sorry my bad English...
Well, I don't expect to much from a heathen gunslingin' chimp....*chucklin*..As long as I can pick up every other word or two, I can get by
I don't talk bad for a chimp, and a ten-gallon hat wearing one at that. I'm not going to take any English lessons from a ventriloquist's dummy though, all my 'b's will become 'g's, and we all know you're just mouthing someone else's words who's got his hand up your ass  ;)
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